Grapple City Rewind

Dusty Pins the Wrong Guy - NWA Clash of the Champions III (1988)

Bradley Palermo & Aaron Fink Season 1 Episode 17

Bradley and Aaron fire up the time machine and head back to Albany, Georgia, for Clash of the Champions III: Fall Brawl (1988) — a night of Beetlemania-style screams, and booking that could only come from Dusty Rhodes on acid. From Brad Armstrong’s marathon time-limit draw with IRS-before-he-was-IRS Mike Rotunda, to Gary Hart’s foreign-object shoe spot, to Dusty pinning the manager instead of the wrestler, this show had it all: great wrestling, confusing finishes, and the hottest 3,700 fans you’ll ever hear. And of course, Ric Flair goes from calm sportsman to purple-faced maniac over the course of the thing.

The guys also riff on how hot 80s crowds blow away today’s arenas, why commentary actually felt like sports, and what happens when someone jams a flagpole in your kidney. It’s Clash III — part chaos, part classic, all Grapple City.

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Oh,

hang

on.

I

forgot.

ah

You

take

your

time.

By

the

way,

um

this

connection

seems

to

be

good

so

far,

huh?

Yeah,

looks

great.

Yeah.

I'm

glad

that

we

finally

solved

that

problem.

Yeah,

I

was

kind

of

being

a

little

stubborn.

I'm

like,

oh,

I'm

to

have

to

do

something

with,

like,

electronics.

This

sucks.

It

was

easy

though,

right?

Dude,

it

was

no

problem.

I

mean,

i

think,

like,

one

of

the

things

didn't

find

the

Wi-Fi

at

first,

so

I

had

to,

like,

I

don't

know,

plug

it

back

in.

Yeah.

it

was

it

was

ah

about

like,

it's

frustrating.

It's

just

that,

it's

like

nothing.

That's

good.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Oh,

and

and

then

all

the

devices

that

were

looking

for

the

other

wifi,

i

had

to

switch

them.

Yeah.

Right.

That

was

like

the

longest

part.

That,

yeah,

that's

definitely

the

most

annoying

part,

but

I

think

ah

hopefully

you

can

see

improvements

in

other

things

that

you

do

on

the

internet

too.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Oh

yeah.

Yeah,

for

sure.

ah

Okay,

cool.

um

Hey

everyone,

this

is

Aaron

Fink

from

Grapple

City

Rewind.

If

you

like

what

you

hear

on

this

episode,

give

us

a

follow,

leave

us

a

review,

cut

a

promo

on

us

by

calling

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Anything

goes.

It'll

go

a

long

way

in

helping

us

to

be

discovered

by

more

wrestling

fans

like

you.

Alright,

cue

that

music.

and

Hello

and

welcome

to

Grapple

City

Rewind,

taking

you

all

the

way

back

to

the

iconic

pay-per-views

and

television

specials

of

that

define

wrestling

I

think

that's

how

it

normally.

and

like

the

iconic

paperviews

and

tv

specials

that

defined

wrestling

history

i

think

that's

how

i

say

it

normally

I'm

Bradley

Palermo

here

as

always

with

Aaron

Fink

and

today

we're

talking

we're

heading

back

to

September

7th

1988

for

Clash

of

the

Champions

3

fall

brawl

this

card

gave

us

a

little

bit

of

everything

time

limit

drama

bloody

bras

dusty

roads

doing

dusty

things

and

Ric

Flair

cutting

in

promos

that

can

and

have

sold

out

Arenas

all

across

the

country.

We

will

break

down

the

NWA

world

TV

title

clash

between

Brad

Armstrong

and

Mike

Rotunda.

The

Sheep

Herders

before

they

were

the

Bushwhackers.

Dusty

taking

on

kevin

sullivan

it's

called

Kevin

Sullivan

with

Gary

Hart

lurking

around.

Gary

Morton

in

a

brutal

Russian

chain

match.

And

Sting

chasing

Barry

Windham

for

the

U.S.

title.

Plus,

we'll

talk

about

what

worked,

what

didn't

work.

and

why

this

era

of

Jim

Crockett

promotion

still

feels

so

raw

and

real

compared

to,

in

my

opinion,

some

of

the

stuff

that

we

see

today.

So

grab

your

neon

tights,

crank

up

that

sick

80s

theme

music,

and

get

ready

to

rewind.

But

first,

Aaron,

I

think

we

should

talk

a

little

current

product.

Maybe,

Yeah.

did

you

catch

any

of

that

AAA,

TripleMania?

the

other

day.

i

saw

some

of

it,

not

the

whole

thing,

but

I

thought

it

was

kind

of

interesting.

yeah

It's

very...

Yeah,

it

was

it

was

fun.

um

I

don't

think

I

watched

all

of

it

either.

i

turned

it

on

probably

a

couple

of

times,

once

in

the

middle,

and

then

towards

the

end,

I

saw

the...

the

match

with

Mr.

Iguana

and

Judgment

Day.

Oh,

yeah.

And

I

got

to

see

little

the

demonito

Finn

Balor

puppet,

which

I

thought

was

pretty

funny.

was

surprised

by

how

much

sports

entertainment

there

was

in

in

TripleMania.

But

I

guess

when

you

compare...

AAA

to

like

CMLL.

I

think

AAA

is

a

little

bit

sillier

in

general.

It

is.

So

feels

like

a

natural

fit.

um

It

was

fun.

The

crowd

was

excited.

It

was

like

a

sold

out

19,000

people

arena.

Yeah.

um

the

The

matches

that

I

actually

watched,

I

watched

the

AAA

women's

championship

match

with

Natty.

Yeah.

And

the

two

other

female

wrestlers

that

I

can't

remember

the

name

of.

And

then

I

also

watched

the

the

main

event,

the

Fatal

4-Way,

with

El

Hijo

del

Viquingo,

Dragon

Lee,

Dominic

Mysterio

and

el

Grande

Americano,

who

I

have

to

say

got

one

hell

of

a

reception

for

being

what

I

thought

was

like

a

horribly

racist

gimmick.

Apparently

not.

right

They

loved

it.

I

don't

know.

I

guess

the

Chad

Gable

version

of

El

Grande

Americano

was

like

a

little

stupider

than

the

Ludwig

Kaiser

version.

you

And

he's

like

actually

speaking

Spanish

and

like,

you

know,

don't,

so

they

just

swapped

who

el

grande

americano

is

yeah

okay

Yeah,

because

Chad

Gable

got

hurt

at

that

AAA

WWE

When

Worlds

Collide

thing

that

was

right

before

Money

in

the

Bank

that

we

went

to.

Yeah,

he

had

ah

i

think

his

main

event

match

was

against

Vikingo,

and

he

got

hurt.

So

he's

he

hasn't

been

wrestling

for

a

while,

and

if

they

they

decided

in

storyline

to...

Well,

he

he's

you

know

in

storyline,

he's

not

el

El

Grande

Americano

is

not

hurt.

Okay.

its

He's

still

there,

but

it's

clearly

Ludwig

Kaiser

now.

Well,

I

was

going

to

say

when

I

was

watching

it,

I

was

like,

why

is

this?

How

did

El

Grande

Americano

get

taller?

Like

maybe

it's

not

Chad

Gable.

Tolerant,

ganglier.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I

was

like,

oh

my

God,

that's

funny.

Yeah.

You

know,

um

so

I've

mentioned

it

before,

but

I

went

Triple

Media

once.

it

was

only

a

couple

years

ago

at

the

same

arena,

arena

um

like

Mexico

City.

Arena

Mexico?

Yeah.

so

it's

So

Arena

Mexico

is

where

CMLL

performs.

oh

Oh.

Okay.

And

Arena

CDMX,

Ciudad

de

Mexico,

whatever,

is

is

the

other

one.

Mm-hmm.

So

they

almost

have

the

same

name.

But

one

is

all

AAA

stuff.

The

other

one

is

exclusively

CMLL.

and

I

see.

But

back

when

I

went,

it

was

all...

you

know,

luchadors

and

like

AEW

stuff,

Taya

Valkyrie

and

QC,

QT

Marshall

was

playing

the

American

heel.

He

came

out

in

like

American

flag

tights

and

with

American

flag,

you

know,

and

he

got

beers

chucked

at

his

head.

I

mean,

it

got

like,

it

got

like

violent,

but

he

was,

he

tried

to

unmask

Penta.

um

my

god.

Yeah.

And

he

did

unmask

Penta,

but

Penta

put

his

hands

over

his

head

so

fast.

Oh

my

gosh.

But

it

was

like

the

most

insulting

thing

you

can

do

to

a

luchador

is

remove

their

mask.

Yeah.

and

he

And

he

won

some

sort

of,

you

know,

title

that

day.

And,

um

you

know,

he

got

a

lot

of

heat.

And

I

just

i

think

it's

funny

that

now

WWE

has

their

guys

in

there

and

they

still

have

an

American

to

get

heat.

Yeah.

It

must

be

like

a

good

way

to

get

heat

to

come

down

there

and

be

a

smug

American,

know.

It's

funny,

though,

because

I

don't

feel

like

any

of

the

Americans

had

any

heat.

Like

in

the

main

event,

everyone

was

cheering.

Well,

I

guess

I

don't

know

if

you

call

Dom

an

American.

He

is

to

me.

He's

born

in

San

Diego.

Yeah.

so

Dom

and

El

Grande

Americano

got

the

biggest

crowd

reactions

of

that

whole

main

event.

The

crowd

was

booing

Vikingo.

Yeah,

that's

weird.

I

looked

it

up,

I

guess.

that

Well,

so

they're

mad

because

when

I

think

when

WWE

announced

that

it

had

acquired

AAA,

ah

Alberto

Del

Rio

was

the

champion

and

they

quickly

took

the

belt

off

of

him

and

put

it

on

Vikingo.

Yeah.

And

so

i

I

guess

what

I'm

reading

online

is

that

people

feel

like

this

is

equivalent

to

Roman

Reigns

in

2015

where,

you

know,

the

promotion

is

like,

this

is

the

guy.

Vikingo

is

the

guy.

right

right

And

the

crowd's

like,

fuck

you.

Del

Rio

is

the

guy.

I

don't

remember

what

his,

his

that's

not

his

name

in

AAA,

but

yeah.

I

say

good

riddance

to

Del

Rio.

I

don't

know

if

you

know

much

about

him,

but

he

got

accused

of

sexual

assault

in

2020

or

2021.

right

And

they

dropped

the

case

because

the

primary

witness,

the

accuser,

disappeared.

Okay.

Cute.

Like,

are

you

fucking

kidding

me?

They

just

dropped

it.

Yeah.

Right.

Yeah.

I

mean,

so

WWE,

sometimes

they

want

to

sanitize

themselves

with

some

people

and

sometimes,

you

know,

yeah.

Good

riddance.

Yeah,

they

they

haven't.

they

once

he

Once

they

got

him,

he's

gone.

And

I've

read

that

there's

no,

I

mean,

there's

currently

no

plans

to

sign

him

again.

so

Yeah.

makes

sense

to

me.

Kind

of

funny

that

they

pick

and

choose

which

assaulters

they

want

to

sign

and

not

sign,

but

whatever.

Right.

Yeah.

You

know,

Vakingo

won

the

championship

when

I

went

a

couple

years

ago.

And

then

he

was

like

appearing

all

over.

He

was

on,

he

was

in

AEW,

right?

he's

on

an

Rampage

almost

every

week.

Yeah.

And

then...

He

had

a

match

with

Omega

that

was

really

good.

I

think

on

a

dynamite

a

couple

of

years

ago.

Yeah.

And

then

it

still

just

blows

my

mind.

I

guess

that's

wrestling,

but

to

see

him

at

WrestleMania,

I'm

like,

I've

seen

you

in,

you

know,

like

B

shows

from

AEW

and

in

person

in

like

Mexico,

like

you,

I,

you

represent

like

kind

of

indie

wrestling

to

me

or

more,

you

know,

more

like

kind

of

the

next

level,

not

like

the

Disney,

not

like

the

Disney

five

version

of

wrestling

with

WWE.

Yeah.

And

then

to

see

him

on

there,

I

was

kind

of

like,

Whoa,

this

is

crazy.

And

kind

of

cool.

Yeah,

it

it

was

a

fun

show

from

what

I

saw.

Um,

The

clip,

I

think

that

everybody

was

talking

about

was

Omos

wrestling.

I

forget

what

the

like

a

mini.

He

was

a

a

little

person.

He's

like

three

feet

five

or

something.

Oh,

that's

kind

of

funny.

And

did

you

see

this

this

clip?

It

was

it

was

really

funny

that

the

little

guy,

i

can't

remember

what

his

name

is,

um

but

he

like

kicks

Omos

in

the

in

the

calf

and

Omos

like

turns

around.

No.

and

just

looks

out

ahead

and

because

he's

seven

feet

tall,

he

sees

nobody.

And

then

he

looks

down

and

he

sees

him

and

he

just

gives

him

a

boot

and

shoves

him

to

the

ground.

I

mean,

got

to

say,

like

it

was

not

certainly

not

serious

professional

wrestling

happening

for

the

most

part,

although

I

feel

like

the

main

event

was

was

pretty

good

in

that

regard.

Yeah.

But

there

was

a

lot

of

entertaining,

silly

stuff

that

happened

at

TripleMania.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I

mean,

to

play

out,

like

they'll

do,

they'll

have

the

ref

get

into

fights,

like

in

goofy

ways,

the

two

refs

start

fighting

each

other,

you

know,

they

have,

um,

There

was

a

heel

ref

too.

I

saw

a

clip

of

that

where

he

was

like

the

slow

count.

Like

he

was

like,

look

one

looking

again

too

And

I

was

like,

bro,

that

would

infuriate

me.

yeah.

Yeah,

they

do

a

lot

of

that

shit.

Oh,

I

mean,

they

had

this

pharmacist

to

come

out

when

I

was

there.

It

was

like,

it's

this

like

bald

white

guy

is

like

their

their

mascot.

a

pharmacist.

So

somebody

comes

out

in

like

a

Mickey

Mouse

outfit,

but

it's

a

bald

white

guy

with

like

the

tufts

of

gray

hair

on

both

sides

and

like

a

lab

coat.

Oh

God.

So

it's

like

a

man

in

a

man

suit.

Right.

And

he's

got

plushie

dolls

of

himself.

of

this

little

of

them

of

these

old

man

plushie

dolls.

And

he

starts

like

blowing

them

out

to

the

crowd

in

this

sort

of

air

gun

type

device.

Yeah,

the

T-shirt

cannon.

Yeah.

And

I

had

both

my

middle

fingers

out.

i

was

i

got

the

i

got

my

section

to

start

chanting,

we

want

wrestling

in

English.

and

um

And

dude,

he

blew

it

right

at

my

fucking

middle

fingers.

And

I

just

kind

of

turned

my

hands

and

caught

it.

Now

it's

one

of

my

dog,

Dale's

toys.

But...

Amazing.

there

There's

some

goofy

motherfuckers

and

and

they're

so

but

they're

so

fun

and

everybody

wears

their

luchador

masks.

And

so

like,

we

got

to

go.

I

mean,

it's

a

two

and

a

half

hour

flight

from

Los

Angeles.

Like

I

got

to

go

back

for

more

of

their

shit.

Yeah,

we

could

do

that.

You

know,

there

was

a

a

clip

going

around

of

Triple

H

giving

a

speech

to

the

locker

room

that

I

thought

was

nice.

Yeah.

It

was

basically

like,

you

know,

this

is

a

great

opportunity.

We're

not

here

to

change

what

you

all

are

doing.

We're

here

to

add

to

it

we're

at

We're

here

to

enhance

it.

And

I

felt

like

what

I

saw...

Yeah.

kept

the

spirit

of

that

that

statement.

you

know

it

It

felt

unique.

It

didn't

feel

fully

like

wwe

WWE,

but

there

were

little

sprinkles

of

it

in

there.

you

know

I

mean,

it

was,

yeah,

it

was

cool.

it

It

definitely

still

looked,

you

know,

they

have

kind

of

like

the

weird

yellow

mat

and

stuff.

And

like,

I

mean,

it's

the

same,

it's

the

same

arena.

All

their

stars

were

there,

Parca

and

so

um

Dr.

Ragnar

Jr.

and

all

these

guys,

but

the

iguana

dude,

yeah.

hamburg

is

I

don't

know.

like

It's

all

the

same

ones

I

saw.

Yeah.

but

like

But

they

had,

on

on

four

of

the

six

matches,

they

had

WWE.

So

it

was

just

wild.

It

was

like

WWE's

just

here.

like

get

Right

involved

and

in

all

of

it.

Yeah.

you

know

And

it's

like,

you

had

Natalya

in

the

one.

I

really

enjoyed

Natty.

Yeah.

You

know,

have

you

have

you

seen

any

of

the

stuff

that

she's

done

outside

of

the

WWE

wwe

in

the

last

few

months?

yeah

Have

we

talked

about

this

at

all?

we

We

may

have,

but

i

yeah

I'm

a

fan

of

GCW,

so

I

watch

Bloodsport.

Yeah,

she

was

on

Bloodsport.

Yeah.

He's

been

on

that

multiple

times.

I

just

did

another

one,

too,

SummerSlam

Weekend.

hu

Yeah,

I've

seen

her

bloodsport

matches.

um

I

saw

her

match

for

Reality

of

Wrestling,

Booker

T's

school.

ah

She

had

an

NWA

match

that

I

did

not

see,

but

I'm

really

enjoying

this

new

thing

that

she's

doing

because

you

know

in

WWE,

she's

Natalya.

She's

the

the

veteran.

She's

the

nice

you

know

friend,

coach,

mentor

of

the

locker

room.

But

when

she's

outside

of

the

WWE,

she's

She's

Natty,

the

low-key

legend

wearing

singlets

and

you

know

mouth

guards

and

saying

she's

going

to

fuck

you

up

and

flipping

off

the

crowd,

coming

out

to

rage

against

the

machine.

run

it

yeah

yeah

i

love

that

for

her.

um

And

I'm

hopeful

that

ah

the

Monday

Night

Raw

that's

happening

right

now

is

going

to

have

a

little

bit

of

that

because

Becky

and

Natalya

are

having

a

match

this

evening.

And

Becky

said

to

her

on

Raw

last

week,

I

don't

want

Natalya,

I

want

Natty.

So

I

hope

that

we

get

that

because

unfortunately,

yeah

as

good

as

she

is,

she's

been,

you

know,

so

she's

been

sat

in

the

back

for

years,

not

really

doing

anything

super

important.

And

I

feel

like

she

has

so

much

potential

and

and

more

than

anything

else,

she

has

so

much

passion.

She

still

wants

to

do

stuff

and

she

hasn't

been.

So

I

hope

that

this

is

the

beginning

of

a

new

leaf

for

Natalia.

Yeah,

I

feel

like

she's

my

age,

you

know,

she

was

born

in

1982

and,

you

know,

that's

kind

of

old,

especially

for

ah

wrestler,

especially

for

female

wrestlers

to

be

on

a

roster

at

this

ripe

age.

And

this

ripe

age

and

I

feel

like

they

were

just

going

to

leave

her

there

to

ah

die,

so

to

speak,

like

for

her

career

to

die.

Yeah.

And

she

took

it,

I

guess,

her

own

initiative

with

the

permission

of

the

WWE

w

to

go

out

and

like

reinvent

herself.

And

I

think

wrestling

fans

know

what's

going

on

in

underground

stuff.

Like

we

read

a

lot

of

a

lot

of

stuff.

Yeah.

So

I

feel

like

it's

cool.

It's

kind

of

like

she

didn't

have

to

leave

and

do

like

a

Cody

Rhodes,

go

to

the

Indies

and

come

back.

She

can

do

that

all

while

under

the

WWE

w

banner.

It's

just

kind

of

showing

the

ah

the

new

WWE

and

like

how

it

works

and

how

it's

more

like

kind

of

wrestling

friendly.

I

think

as

far

as,

you

know,

they're

all

over

the

indie

shows.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

They

have

a

WWE

ID.

So

like

half

these

guys

on

like

GCW

shows

are

WWE

ID.

So

that

like

none

of

the

AW

guys

are

around

and

like

Natty

can

come

down

and

do

her

shit

and

they

can

test

it

out.

They

don't

have

to

like

play

it

on

a

house

show.

Even

they

can

just

test

out

new

characters,

bring,

you

know,

I

think

it's

going

to

work

for

their

company.

Yeah.

It's

good.

i

mean,

I

found

out

the

other

day,

Omos

has

been

gone

for

months.

I

found

out

he's

been

at

NOAA

for

months.

Oh,

Right.

um

Yeah.

And

and

so

like

I

think

it's

great.

I

mean,

if

you

think

about

it,

WWE

only

has

so

much

time

in

a

week,

right?

So

much

TV

time.

They

don't

really

do

house

shows

anymore.

So

I

feel

like

all

of

this

mingling

and

sending

people

out

and

making

the

deal

with

AAA

and

with

TNA,

it

can

only

be

good

in

the

long

run.

Obviously,

There's

the

whole

conversation

of

like

the

monopolization

of

professional

wrestling.

And

you

know

I

read

this

past

weekend

that

WWE,

or

there's

been

reports

that

WWE

is

really

trying

to

figure

out

how

to

position

TNA

as

the

number

two

wrestling

company,

which...

right

Right.

I

don't

really

think

is

going

to

happen.

I

think

AEW

has

got

their

foothold

by

this

point,

but

I

like

that

in

a

way

it's

almost

like

WWE

is

kind

of

starting

a

new

NWA.

You

know,

they're,

they've

got

all

these

people

that

they're

working

with

and

they're

letting

somebody

who,

I

don't

know.

I

mean,

I

guess

I

haven't

seen

too

much

of

it,

but

it's

just

nice

that

there

are

options

for

people

who

don't

get

a

lot

of

TV

time.

If

maybe

they're

not

on

Raw,

SmackDown,

NXT,

they

can

go

somewhere

else

and

they

can

get

reps.

And

that's

what's

most

important

is

they

need

to

wrestle

in

front

of

a

live

crowd.

but

So

hopefully

this

is

all

a

good

thing.

They've

i

think

it's

probably

a

bit

of

a

pipe

dream

to

try

and

make

TNA

the

number

two

wrestling

promotion,

but

They're

a

business.

They're

going

try

to

you

know

assert

their

dominance

and

become

a

more

successful

business

as

all

businesses

do.

So

we'll

just

have

to

wait

and

see

how

that

pans

out.

That

being

said,

you

know

AEW

has

been

pretty

good

lately.

they

I

mean,

Dynamite's

solid.

Yeah,

I

mean,

eight

of

TNA

has

quite

an

archive.

I

mean,

they

think

they've

had

some

of

the

greats

before

they

were

in

AEW,

like

Ospreay

and

such.

Yeah.

um

but

Wasn't

like

Samoa

Joe

in

there

for

a

while?

Well,

yeah.

Joe

was

there.

Styles

was

probably

their

biggest

person.

Yeah.

And

when

he

left,

that

was

really

the

downfall

of

of

Impact

back

in

the

day.

Yeah.

As

soon

as

he

got

signed

to

WWE,

wwe

it

was

like,

crash.

Yeah.

crash

yeah

they

Yeah,

they're

hot

right

now.

They

have

WWE

talent.

It's

funny,

like

WWE

lends

their

people

out

to

all

these

other

indie

promotions,

but

then

they

have

a

TV

show

on

Tubi

with

their

own

indie

promotion,

e

Evolve,

and

nobody's

on

that

thing.

yeah

It's

like,

I

mean,

it's

like

the

WWE

ID

indie

guys,

but

I'm

like,

you

got

to

put

Omos

there

maybe?

Yeah.

You

didn't

have

to

put

him

like,

you

know,

because

that

would

help

the

TV

show.

I

guess,

but

you

know,

if

you

want,

yeah,

no,

it

would.

Yeah.

But

I

guess

what's,

what's,

it

seems

like

that

when

a

wrestler

is

like,

Hey,

you're

not

using

me,

I'd

like

to

go

do

X.

It

seems

like

they're

saying,

okay.

And

you

know,

I

would

assume

that

Omos

was

like,

I

want

to

go

to

Japan.

And

they

were

like,

all

right,

go

to

Japan.

Right.

um

You

know,

evolve

to

me

is

like,

Right.

the

step

under

NXT,

right?

You've

got

indie

people

who

the

mainstream

WWE

wwe

audience

has

no

idea

about.

It

is.

Yeah.

i

know

that

the

winner

of

LFG

season

one,

Tyra

Mae

Steele

was

ah

relegated

to

Evolve

for

a

little

while.

I

think

she

might

be

back

on

NXT,

but

I,

you

know,

I

don't

think

any

of

this

is

going

to

hurt

the

business.

Hmm.

And

and

that's

the

nice

thing

is

that

there's

a

lot

of

diversification.

There's

a

lot

more

options

and

that's,

never

going

to

be

a

bad

thing.

you

know

in

ah

In

a

competitive

marketplace,

it

it

favors

the

employees.

right

Yeah.

So

um

yeah,

nothing

nothing

but

good

things.

Any

other

current

product

stuff?

For

sure.

I

can't

remember.

All

I

don't

know.

I

probably

got

my

fill

for

for

this

one.

Yeah,

I'm

not

like,

I

mean,

it

was

a

good

one.

I

mean,

was

a

good

talk,

so

we

can

move

it

forward

if

you're

if

you're

cool

with

that.

yeah

let's

get

down

to

the

rewind.

Was

that

like

a

sound

effect?

No,

that

was

just

my

thing

falling.

Oh,

it

sounded

like

ah

almost

like

a

drum

like

a

drum

machine.

boom

i

was

like,

all

right,

let's

get

down

to

the

rewind.

I

wish.

Okay.

So

today

we're

talking

about

Clash

of

the

Champions

3,

which

was

titled

Fall

Brawl,

September

7,

1988

in

Albany,

Georgia,

to

an

attendance

of

3,700.

three

thousand

seven

hundred

It

was

ah

kind

of

short.

It

was

on

TV.

It

was

two

hours

long,

six

matches.

In

the

commentary

booth,

we

had

Jim

Ross

and

Bob

Caudell,

a

very

classic

sports

sort

of

believable

commentary

team.

um

Good

old

Shivani

was

back

there

doing

backstage

interviews

and

updates,

but

wasn't

on

the

play-by-play,

which

I

think

is

probably

the

best

spot

for

him.

and

yep

he

was

up

there

with

flair

um

but

yeah

Yeah,

with

Flair.

And

we

get

the

cool

80s

music

intro.

I

just

love

the

whole

way

it

starts

off.

i

do

like

yeah

i

do

like

that

with

all

the

belts

and

everything

Yeah.

Yeah,

and

they

say,

oh,

yeah,

the

belts

look

so

good.

And

they

say,

it'll

be

a

brawl,

a

fall

brawl,

which

it

may

be

the

first

time

they

used

fall

brawl,

right?

Because

that

became

its

own

pay-per-view

later.

Yeah,

it

was

a

WCW

thing.

Yeah.

What

was

the

<unk>s

i

desire?

Right?

They

kept

desire

to

become

a

champion

or

whatever.

Yeah.

Yeah,

it's

very,

very

hokey,

but

and

ah

in

a

fantastic

way.

um

Yeah,

we

open

with

Shivani

and

Flair,

and

Flair's

pretty

controlled.

There's

two

Rick

Flairs.

Yeah.

There's

the

the

serious,

like,

yeah,

that's

as

the

night

goes

on.

Flare

in

the

beginning

and

then

the

flare

at

the

end.

Yeah,

yeah.

Yeah,

he

gets

more

and

more

angry.

Slobbering,

vein-busting

Flair,

and

then

just

kind

of

reasonable

guy

who

wants

to

talk

about

some

sports.

Yeah.

He

hadn't

taken

his

bump

yet.

Yeah,

it's

got

to

be

what

it

was.

And

then

we

get

into...

I

got

say

this,

was

amazing.

Go

ahead.

this

crowd

of

less

than

four

thousand

people

was

fucking

bananas

dude

they

were

so

loud

and

like

the

like

the

hands

and

the

clapping

i

mean

i

i

it's

so

crazy

to

me

when

i

watch

this

stuff

and

i'm

like

man

these

3

700

people

in

albany

georgia

are

hotter

than

like

a

crowd

of

15

000

in

fucking

kansas

city

missouri

yeah

today

it's

like

it's

nuts

It

was.

Whelan.

yeah

it's

nuts

it's

awesome

it's

not

i

mean

you

can't

get

that

especially

even

here

in

los

angeles

you

don't

get

shit

when

when

it

comes

to

like

hot

crowds

you

you

you

cheer

something

you

feel

like

you

stand

out

sometimes

it's

weird

i

wish

it

was

as

rowdy

as

it

looked

back

then

um

dude

i

saw

i

was

watching

uh

a

nitro

from

like

the

90s

and

uh

what's

that

guy's

name

uh

Yeah.

huh.

The

giant,

I

guess

they

were

calling

him.

Mm-hmm.

Paul

White.

Yeah.

Paul,

ah

yeah,

he

he

walked

up

to

the

the

mar

ring

with

a

cigarette,

just

lit,

smoking

a

cigarette.

I

think

I

remember

in

his

jeans

and

his

NWO

shirt,

probably.

and

I

don't

care

if

you're

a

performer

now.

like

There's

no

way

you

could

smoke

indoors

with

somebody

sitting

No

way.

Yeah.

was

like,

I

kind

of

like

that,

Ron.

is

but

this

is

i'll

go

I'll

go

back

to

this

this

for

fall

bra

from

the

80s.

The

first

match

was

the

NWA

World

Television

Championship.

One

of

the

prettiest

belts,

I

think.

Yeah,

I

liked

it.

Um,

this

era

of

it,

um,

Brad

Armstrong

with,

uh,

Dr.

Death,

Steve

Williams

by

his

side

versus

Mike

Rotunda,

who

was

the

champion.

And

he

had

Mike

Sullivan

by

his

side.

Mike

Rotunda's,

uh,

what'd

I

say?

Kevin

Sullivan.

You

said

Mike

Sullivan.

Oh,

Kevin

Sullivan.

um

Yeah.

um

Mike

Rotunda

is,

of

course,

later

known

as

IRS.

That's

kind

of

what

I

know

I'm

from.

but

um

And

Armstrong,

Brad

Armstrong,

is

the

brother

of

Road

Dog.

Oh,

that's

right.

um

know.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah,

yeah,

yeah.

So,

um

I

was...

I

like

this

match,

man.

um

Rotunda,

i

feel

like

maybe

it's

just

because

i

i

he

was

such

an

annoying

heel

as

IRS,

but...

He

was...

I

felt

like

enjoyed

his

wrestling

in

this

a

lot

more

than

any

of

the

IRS

stuff

that

we've

watched.

Maybe

it

was

just

because

his

character

was

like,

I'm

a

wrestler

from

Syracuse.

And

he

was

very

much

like

a

tactician

in

certain

moments

where

as

IRS,

he

was

just

being

a

shit

heel,

you

know,

like

Yeah.

Yeah.

And

he

made

it

to

WWE.

They

still

had

him

as

Mike

Rotunda,

right?

WrestleMania

one.

for

a

little

while.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I

mean,

I,

yeah,

this

looked

good.

Like

technical

wrestling

and

everything

felt

real.

Take

downs,

headlocks.

Um,

Crowd

was

like

so,

so

behind

Brad

Armstrong.

Like

every

time

he

got

a

move

in

or

something

happened

in

his

favor,

Crowd

lost

their

shit,

man.

Yeah.

Dude,

I

wish...

When

I

was

watching

this,

I

was

like,

this

is

kind

of

what

I

think

some

people

wished

AEW

was

going

to

be

like

all

the

time.

Or...

you

know

i

mean,

this

whole

thing

wasn't

all

like

really

sports-based

competition

as

much

as

this

one

was.

Mm-hmm.

But

like...

I'm

like,

this

is

cool.

Like

if

there

was

a

modern

promotion

that

just

kind

of

made

it

look

like

these

are

two

wrestlers

and

they

they're

in

it

like

wrestle

realistic

shit.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

I

don't

know.

I

wish

there

was

something

I

could

watch

where

it

was

always

kind

of

like

this.

Like,

I

just

really

like

that.

It

was

a

nice

blend

of

of

what

i

what

I

assume

are

traditional

amateur

wrestling

moves

and

holds

mixed

in

with

the

normal

pro

wrestling

stuff,

the

punches,

the

kicks,

the

suplexes,

and

all

that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But...

um

fun

match

and,

um,

was

a

little

surprised

that

it

went

to

the

full

20

minutes.

Uh,

it

was

a

time

limit

draw.

And

what,

what

shocked

me

the

most

about

it

was

like

how

excited

the

crowd

was

at

a

draw

where

Brad

Armstrong

does

not

win

the

belt

because

I,

you

know,

Jr

was

like,

well,

Yeah.

You

said

he

won.

He

was

like,

he

went

the

distance

with

the

champion.

And

like

the

crowd

was

behind

him.

So

I

don't

know

if

that

had

been

part

of

the

story

leading

up

to

it

in

the

promos

where

maybe

Rotunda

was

like,

you'll

never

be

able

to,

to

last

a

full

match

with

me

or

something.

But

that

definitely

added

to

like

the

sports

based

element

as

well.

um

So

yeah,

fun,

fun

opening

match.

They

were

really

selling

that

20

minute

time

limit.

I

was

kind

of

starting

to

wonder,

like,

there's

been

a

lot

of

mentions

of

this,

like,

is

that

where

it's

going

to

go?

Yeah.

But

it's

kind

of

a

cool

thing

to

do

because

you

can

have

the

other,

you

can

have

the

the

challenger

win,

but

you

don't

have

to

take

the

belt

off

the

guy.

So

it's

kind

of

like

a

win-win.

um

So,

I

mean,

I

didn't

really

mind

how

they

did

it,

but

you

know,

they

they

sold

it

as

a

victory

for

for

brad

armstrong

like

they

kept

talking

about

this

kid

has

a

lot

of

heart

and

stuff

so

i

guess

they

were

kind

of

developing

him

and

dude

yeah

those

girls

screaming

when

he

won

were

it

was

like

beetle

mania

i

was

like

what

the

fuck

i

mean

and

they're

like

everyone's

wearing

white

t-shirts

i'm

not

really

sure

what

was

up

with

that

either

it's

like

three

thousand

four

thousand

people

in

white

t-shirts

screaming

Yeah.

Yeah.

Crazy.

don't

know.

It's,

um

you

know,

the

this

was

another

one

where

I

felt

like

I

was

constantly

being

reminded

of

how

much

time

was

left.

And

again,

I

felt

like

really

played

into

the

sports-based

presentation.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It

was

aiding

that

because,

you

know,

it

was

like,

oh

okay.

yeah

Yeah.

A

few

minutes

left.

You

know,

i

think,

think

that

might've

even

happened

in

the

next

match

too,

um

which

was

the

tag

match.

Oh,

dude,

I

wanted,

oh,

before

you

get

into

that,

I

just

wanted

to

say

like

that

Claudio

Castagnoli's

like

European

uppercuts

that

just

look

so

fucking

fake

with

like

four

feet

of

daylight

between

his

arm

and

the

other

guy's

chin.

Yeah.

I

thought

that

that

move

just

has

to

look

that

shitty.

But

like

when

I

saw

Mike

Rotunda

do

the

European

uppercut,

I

was

like,

damn,

that

looked

like

he

just

fucking

knocked

the

guy

out.

Like

that

was,

that

was

cool.

yeah

So

I

just,

I

don't

know,

just,

just

an

observation

as

a

fan.

For

sure.

Yeah.

That,

you

know,

it's

funny

because

like

Claudio

didn't,

they

didn't

always

look

like

that.

I

feel

like

I've

seen

Cesaro

NXT

matches

where

he's

laying

shit

in,

you

know,

like

you

just,

I

don't

know,

lack

of

consistency,

maybe

something.

Oh

yeah.

um

don't

know

what

happened.

Yeah.

Okay.

Sorry.

I

didn't

mean

to

cut

you

off

for

the

next

one.

No,

you're

good.

Go

ahead.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So

yeah,

the

second

match

was

a

a

tag

match.

It

was

Dr.

Death,

Steve

Williams

with

Nikita

Koloff,

the

babyface

team

against

the

Sheep

Herders.

ah

First

thing

I'll

say

about

this

is

I

was

like,

wait,

Nikita

Koloff

is

like

wearing

a

Russian,

you

know,

unitard.

It's

1988.

How

is

he

being...

cheered

And

then

I

proceeded

to

Google

it.

And

um

I

don't

know

if

you've

ever

seen

this

because

I

hadn't.

ah

It

might

have

been

a

year

or

two

prior.

There

was

Dusty

Rhodes

was

having

like

a

cage

match.

And

I

can't

remember

some

somebody

was

supposed

to

be

like

on

Dusty's

side.

Maybe

it

was

Magnum

TA.

don't

know.

But

whoever

it

was

that

was

sort

of

aligned

with

Dusty

was

no

longer

with

the

company.

I

wonder

if

Magnum

TA

had

already

passed

away

by

this

point.

But

regardless,

I

found

this

clip

where

Dusty

is

getting

in

the

cage

and

you

see

Nikita

Koloff

like

maybe

20,

30

feet

behind

him

coming

through

the

crowd.

And

the

crowd's

like...

bubbling,

bubbling.

They're

like,

oh

my

God,

what's

what's

going

on?

And

Koloff

gets

in

the

cage

and

he

like

sort

of

looks

around

for

a

few

seconds

and

he

starts

walking

towards

where

the

action's

happening.

And

it

looks

like

maybe

you'll

hit

Dusty,

but

he

hits

the

other

guy

and

the

crowd...

loses

their

mind.

It

was

like

one

of

the

loudest

pops

I

think

I've

ever

heard.

um

Really?

Period.

So

that

was

apparently

that

was

how

Nikita

became

a

baby

face.

And

yeah,

that

you

could

tell

that

he

was

over

with

the

crowd

because

him

and

and

Dr.

Death

were

getting

huge

reactions

every

time

they

would

they

would

get

a

hot

tag

or

whatever.

um

I

will

mention

that

the

Sheep

Herders,

as

you

met

as

you

said

before,

are

the

Bushwhackers

from

WWF,

and

we

just

saw

them

in

that

SummerSlam.

They

had

like

a

backstage

promo

where

they

were

doing

their

arms

swinging

nonsense,

and

they

were

pretty

much

the

same

here,

but

a

little

less

arm

swinging

coked-out-ness.

Yeah.

Yeah.

yeah

They

still

looked

kind

of

speedy,

but...

They

had

had

Rip

Morgan

with

them,

which

I

never

saw

that

guy

in

WWE,

but

he

was

just

kind

of

a

flag-waving...

Yeah.

The

flag-waving

Kiwi.

Yeah.

rip

Rip

is

such

a

a

great

name.

it's

It's

just

kind

of

a

dubious

name.

I

used

to

have

an

uncle

growing

up

who's

like

a

metalhead

named

Rip.

couldn't

rip.

And

be

like,

oh,

Rip's

going

to

be

there.

I'd

always

kind

of

like

be

like,

oh,

fuck,

that's

scary.

Oh,

shit.

Oh,

there

was

USA

chance

and

like

no

one

in

this

match.

Oh,

man.

Yeah.

the

Oh,

I

guess

Dr.

Death,

Steve

Williams

is

American.

Mm-hmm.

But

I

mean,

you

got

like

a

Russian

guy

versus

some

Australians

and

they're

chanting

USA,

which

wrestling

fans

love

to

do.

If

it's

a

Japanese

guy

versus

a

Canadian,

we've

seen

it

where

they

yell

USA.

Yeah.

you

You

know,

Dr.

Death,

so

popular.

And

and

do

you

you

know

what

like

would

basically

tanked

Dr.

Death's

career?

Do

you

remember?

No.

you

remember

the

brawl

for

all?

Oh

yeah.

Oh

yeah.

he

got

knocked

out

by

Bart

gun

in

like

a

minute

and

his

entire

career

ended

because

he

was

such

a

tough

guy.

That's

where.

Like

that

was

his

whole

shtick.

He

was

this

big

ex

football

player

and

then

he

got

his

shit

rocked

and

got

knocked

out

cold.

And

then

you

never

saw

Dr.

Death

again.

Like

feel

pretty

bad.

Oh

my

God.

It

took,

it

took

all

of

his

steam,

huh?

Yeah.

Yeah.

That

broth

roll

was

a

terrible

idea.

And

I

know.

I

love

how

in

the

fucking

Dark

Side

of

the

Ring

episode,

everyone

was

like

fighting.

I

mean,

no

it

was

my

idea.

No,

it

was

my

idea.

um

but

God.

um

Yeah,

this

was,

I

mean,

this

isn't

my

favorite

match

of

the

night,

even

though

it

was

fine.

I

just...

It

was

fine.

ah

It

was

17

minutes.

You

know,

sheep

herders

were

okay,

serviceable.

I

mean,

it

was

interesting

to

hear

that

they

had

been

already

wrestling

for

10

years

and

apparently

had

been

touring

the

world.

i

I

guess

that

makes

sense.

You

know,

they're

heels

and

they

were

certainly

serviceable.

They

didn't

botch

anything,

but

like

they

were

the

kind

of

guys

that

they

were

just

like,

let's

just

do

like

arms

and

chest

every

day

and

never

worry

about

abs

or

legs.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I

see

those

guys.

Yeah,

fat

guy.

Workouts

where

you

can

sit

down

and

do

them.

They're

just

like

fatties,

fatties

with

muscular

arms.

Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Yep.

um

Yeah,

I

mean,

Kolov

hit

the

Russian

sickle

for

the

pin.

So

him

and

Steve

Williams

won

that

one.

I

like

that.

had

kind

of

a

weird

line

in

that

one.

What

are

you

going

to

when

someone

jams

a

flagpole

in

your

kidney?

You're

going

to

go

after

them.

That's

what

Dr.

Yep.

Death

did.

was

like,

thanks

for

explaining

that

to

me.

Cool.

What

are

going

to

do

when

someone

jams

a

flagpole

into

your

kidney?

you're

gonna

go

after

him

yeah

um

there

were

some

promo

segments

like

before

this

match

uh

uh

what

kind

of

establishing

what's

going

to

happen

later

flair

put

over

lex

luger

kind

of

hard

um

and

uh

That's

funny.

Yeah.

Yep.

Everyone's,

you

know,

no

one's

selling

us

behind

the

curtain

or

winking

at

us.

Like,

I

don't

know.

I

guess

I'm

just

into

the

reality

of

this

whole

thing.

You

know,

it

feels.

Yeah,

no

there

was

there

was

an

air

of

legitimacy

um

the

way

that

Flair

was

talking

for

the

majority

of

the

time

they

went

back

to

that

desk

with

him

and

Shivani.

Yeah.

He

was

very

calm

and

very

straight-laced.

And

yeah,

speaking

about

it,

you

know

Lex

Luger

is

one

of

the

best

wrestlers

in

our

sport

and

blah,

blah,

blah,

bla

blah.

And

you

know

yeah,

they...

Yeah.

they

definitely

were

leaning

into

that.

Like,

you

know,

this

is

legit.

And

and

then

I

feel

like

that's

what

NWA

did

a

lot

of

the

time.

And

then

very

early

WCW

did.

But

as

soon

as

we

started

getting

the

sports

entertainment

D

stuff

from

both

sides

of

the

fence

that

sort

of

fell

by

the

wayside,

um

Yes.

there

were

There

was

a

weird

ah

segment

somewhere

in

there

too

um

after

to

the

first

match

where

Kevin

Sullivan

was

in

his

wife's

fluffy

robe

and

he

was

bent

over

beating

Jimmy

Garvin

outside

of

the

ring.

And

it

was

just

like

mostly,

it

was

starting

to

look

like

like

found

footage

of

the

fight.

Oh

yeah.

It

was

like

mostly

just

Sting's

ass

like

bent

over

helping

Jimmy

Garvin

and

Sting's

like

wasn't

that

Wasn't

that

where

where

Sullivan

like

he

took

cinder

blocks

and

slammed

them

onto

Garvin's

leg

and

then

he

was,

yeah,

oh

my

leg

armor,

it's

broken.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So

there

was...

ah

He

was

like

howling.

so

Yeah,

that

was

more

sport

of

sports

entertainment

style,

but...

I

guess

so,

but

you

know,

so

I

i

didn't

what

i

didn't

watch

ah

any

of

the

Kevin

Sullivan

stuff

before

this.

do

you

know

about

like

Kevin

Sullivan

and

the

whole

like

satanic

panic

and

how

that

all

got...

Yeah.

like

When

that

was

happening

in

the

eighty

s

I

don't

know.

people

were,

people

were

losing,

you

know,

for

those

that

don't

know,

in

the

early

eighties,

uh,

the

right

after

the

string

of

all

these

crazy

serial

killers,

the

John

Wayne

Gacy's

and

the

Richard

Ramirez

is,

and

all

that

stuff,

people

started

getting

really,

really

scared

that

there

was

Satanism

and

devil

worshipers.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And,

you

know,

I

think

the

Jim

Jones,

Jonestown

thing

was

probably

around

that

same

time

too.

Yeah.

Even

though

it's

like

mostly

Christians

that

do

this

crazy

shit,

but

yes.

So,

Yeah.

Yes,

it

was

clearly

in

in

hindsight

blown

way

the

fuck

out

of

proportion.

it

was

almost

yeah

arguably

as

bad

as

the

fucking

Salem

witch

trials.

Yeah.

These

people

fucking

morons

thinking

that

these

people

are,

you

know,

in

league

with

the

devil

and

blah,

blah.

But

anyway,

Kevin

Sullivan

in

the

early

eighty

s

took

advantage

of

all

of

this

hysteria

and

he

had,

uh,

I

forget

what

the

name

of

the

group

is

and

I

should

probably

look

it

up

because

people

will

be

mad

at

me

for

not

knowing

it.

But

he

had

a

group

of

people

that,

uh,

they

basically

were,

were

pretending

to

be

devil

worshipers

and,

um,

he

did

some

of

the

craziest

at

the

time,

some

of

the

craziest,

scariest

stuff

where

people

legitimately

thought

that

this

guy

was

like,

had

a

harem

and,

you

know,

was

worshiping

the

devil.

He

would

speak

in

weird

riddles

and

code

and

he

would

like

hang

people

and

do

all

kinds

of

crazy

shit.

I

think

the

people

in

his

group,

one

of

the

people

in

his

group

was

um

Nancy

Benoit,

his

ex-wife,

Kevin

Sullivan's

ex-wife.

And,

It

was

like

a

big

deal.

I

mean,

people

talk

about

it

as

if

it

was

like

the

best

gimmick

in

wrestling

ever,

because

at

the

time

you

didn't

know

what

was

real

and

what

wasn't.

The

task

mask.

Yeah.

The

taskmaster.

Yeah.

And

so

like,

you

know,

you'd

be,

you

would

almost

be

scared

of

your

parents

walking

in

and,

and

you

and

finding

you

watching

Kevin

Sullivan

because,

know,

Yeah.

He

was

so

dark.

He

was

ah

the

the

Prince

of

Darkness

gimmick.

Yeah,

he

was,

you

know,

a

cult

leader.

Yeah.

That's

And

by

this

point,

it

had

already

sort

of

dissipated

and

it

it

wasn't

really

as

much

of

a

big

deal

anymore.

But

he

was

still

like

a

pretty

insidious

heel.

that's

great

i

All

of

that

all

that

stuff

that

we

saw,

all

those

packages

set

up

our

third

match,

which

was

Dusty

Rhodes

against

Kevin

Sullivan.

And

got

to

say,

I

mean,

i

I

love

seeing

Dusty.

Crowd

loves

Dusty.

um

This

match

was

dumb

and

had

one

of

the

worst

finishes

I

think

I've

ever

seen

because

this

was,

in

my

view,

just

a

normal

singles

match.

i

had

There

was

no

indication

that

it

was

like

a

no

DQ

match

or

or

anything

like

that.

Oh,

right.

Yeah.

And

this

was

where

I

think,

yeah,

Gary

Hart,

like,

didn't

he,

I

don't

i

gave

he

gave,

like

hit

Dusty

with

a

foreign

object

There

was

big

problems

with

this

match.

Yeah.

And

the

ref

clearly

saw

it.

Gary

Hart

got

dragged

into

the

ring

and

started

doing

stuff.

And

I'm

like,

why

are

you

not

disqualifying

Kevin

Sullivan?

And

then

i

think,

uh,

Gary,

uh,

Gary

Hart

interfered

with

the

shoe,

right?

Yes,

that's

what

it

was.

He

interfered

with

the

shoe.

Yeah.

Kevin

Sullivan,

like

in

a

a

couple

minutes

prior,

had

pulled

out

his

famous

spike

that

he

used

to

spike

people

with

it

when

he

was

doing

the

Prince

of

Darkness

thing.

and

And

yeah,

he

got

hit

with

the

shoe.

And

I'm

like,

the

ref

saw

that.

What

the

hell

is

going

on

here?

And

then

I

think

Dusty

got

the

spike.

He

hit

Kevin

Sullivan

with

it.

And

then

he

pinned

Gary

Hart

and

the

ref

counted

the

pin.

and

that

And

that

was

how

Dusty

won.

Yeah.

I

was

like,

what

the

hell

is

this?

He,

I've

never

seen

anyone

pin

someone

that

wasn't

in

the

fucking

match.

And

it

made

me

wonder,

like,

did

Dusty

put

this

together?

Yeah.

Because

I

know

he's

had

some

great

ideas,

but

he

also

got

some

crazy

shit.

And

sometimes

he

comes

up

with

ideas

while

he's

like,

what,

right.

While

he

was

like

on

acid

and

stuff.

Right.

So,

I

mean,

I've

heard

stories

about

like,

Dusty

said

this

on

acid.

I

never

knew

that.

And

so,

so

I'm

just

wondering

if,

you

know,

ah

yeah

everybody

hit

you

Hit

me

with

his

shoe,

if

you

will.

Yeah,

it

was

weird.

I

mean,

I

think

theverse

there

were

some

cool

things

about

it.

just

there

wasn't

even

enough

tim

yeah

but

there

wasn't

even

enough

time

to

get

into

it

it

was

like

7

minutes

long

I

was

just

like

okay

come

on

Dusty

what

are

we

you

know

what

are

we

do

there's

no

flow

it

just

the

bionic

elbows

are

great

i

i

like

I

like

to

see

Dusty's

elbows.

They

look

also...

maybe

it's

a

great

Maybe

it's

the

grittiness

of

the

cameras

back

then.

and

you

just

don't

see

everything

as

clear.

But

man,

it

just

looks

so

good.

It

looks

like,

a

like

again,

a

legitimate

move.

mmhmm

um

you

know

And

you

can

see

some

of

the

stuff.

The

way

he

like

shakes

his

head

and

like

pulls

his

head

back.

he

had

kind

of,

um,

you

could

see

where

Cody

gets

some

of

that

shit.

Yeah,

he

had

a

ton

of

charisma.

And

sometimes

where

he,

sometimes

they

do

like

the

same

moves

and

like

some,

some

of

the

moves

that

Dustin,

Dusty

and

Cody

do

when

they

come

out

and

the

way

they

shake

their

heads

and

their

mannerisms

are

exactly

the

same.

I

know

some

of

them,

they

probably

copy

off

each

other.

Yeah.

that's

intentional,

but

some

of

it's

just

the

blood,

you

know,

in

the

blood.

Um,

so,

I

mean,

I

hadn't

seen

Dusty

in

a

while.

I

don't

know

if

we've

seen

him

in,

uh,

grapple

city

rewind.

We

have

not

seen

and

Dusty

in

anything

yet.

So

I

was

excited

to

see

Dusty.

I

mean,

and

I

was

i

was

excited

to

see

these

two

guys

go

at

it,

but

it

like

it

was

a

seven

minute

nothing

kind

of

match.

But

and

um

also

Dusty

made

Kevin

Sullivan

and

look

kind

of

small,

you

know?

Yeah.

He

did.

Yeah.

I

mean,

Dusty's

a,

Dusty's

a

big

dude.

know

but

He's

big

and

he's

tall.

And,

but

Kevin

and

Kevin's,

I

mean,

Kevin

Sullivan

to

me

is

like

the

definition

of

a

fucking

meatball.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Like

just

his

thighs

are

like

tree

trunks,

man.

Yeah.

yeah

yeah

Like

that

guy

was,

you

could

roll

them

up

into

a

ball

and

throw

them

down

a

bowling

lane,

man.

that's

i

mean

That's

good,

for

especially

for

amateur

wrestling,

you

know

all

that

that

low

center

of

gravity.

Yeah.

um

and

We

got

an

interview

segment

with

ah

ah

i

guess

an

American

footballer

called

John

Ayers.

He

was

ah

apparently

a

big

NFL

49er.

He's

going

to

be

a

special

ref.

He

seemed...

I

mean,

could

it

just

been

his

personality?

This

fucking

guy

seemed

terrified,

confused,

and

nervous.

Just

nothing

going

on.

Yeah.

It

seemed

like

he

was

choking

ah

when

he

was

on

TV.

I

mean,

choking

like

like

he

fucked

it

up

and

forgot

what

he

was

supposed

to

say.

Yeah.

Oh

yeah,

no,

100%.

He

couldn't

string

his

words

together.

um

Flair,

it

was

weird.

a

Flair

asked

him

what

kind

qualifies

him

to

be

a

ref,

and

Ayers

has

no

answer.

It's

a

terrible

app.

Well,

i

I'm

familiar

with

with

professional

wrestling,

and

I

was

like

the

stiffest.

Flair

just

like...

He's

going

to

be

the

special

ref

against

for

Luger

and

Flair

at

some

point

in

the

future,

I

think

is

what

it

was.

Yeah.

Which

was

also

super

confusing

because

I

thought

that

meant

that

this

was

going

to

happen

on

this

show.

And

by

the

time

I

got

to

the

end,

I

was

like,

the

fuck?

It

did

not.

Where's

where's

the

Flair

Luger

thing?

I

was

looking

forward

to

that,

you

know?

It's

probably

next

to

Saturday

6.05

on

their

television

show

to

get

you

to

watch.

Yeah,

I

mean,

that

was

weird.

I

feel

like

a

television

special

shouldn't.

I

mean,

I

know

you

can

talk

about

what's

next,

but

you

should

kind

of

make

that

the

event,

not

talk

not

push

people

off

to

another

thing.

Yeah.

Yeah.

but

You

know

what

I

noticed?

ah

And

this

is

just

like

a

very

casual

television

observation

thing.

um

All

the

commercial

breaks

were

in

between

the

matches.

That

was

so

nice.

You

know,

like

I

get,

I

think

I

understand

why

they

don't

do

that

now

because

they

want

to

make

more

money

and

they

want

to

show

more

ads

in

today's

world.

Yeah.

Oh,

yeah.

But

Very,

very

refreshing

because

to

me,

ah

having

commercials

in

the

middle

of

matches

really

like

breaks

up

the

flow

for

me

in

a

way

that

I

almost

don't

even

care

about

the

match

as

much

anymore

because

like

to

me,

ah

wrestling

match

is

it

is

its

best.

pure

like

Any

wrestling

match

is

better

when

you

have

your

full

attention

on

it

and

when

you

never

break

your

attention

and

you

see

it

all

the

way

through

without

interruptions.

I

agree.

I

think

if

you

put

an

ad

on

Spotify

or

something,

you're

going

to

do

it

between

songs.

Mm-hmm.

And

if

you

do

put

an

ad

on

wrestling,

you

should

do

it

between

matches.

You

have

plenty

of

time

between

matches.

um

it's

It's

almost

inexcusable.

I

mean,

that's

why

i

use

ah

VPN

to

watch

programming

from

a

different

country.

If

I

need

to

pay

ah

subscription

um,

Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

um

AEW,

you

know,

through

the

UK,

then

I

do

that

because

then

you

don't

see

the

commercials

in

the

middle

and

even

WWE,

w

you

can

do

a

VPN

and

watch

like

on

Netflix.

Yeah,

much

better

viewing

experience.

Um,

even

Even

though

they

still

technically

like

fade

to

black

and

come

back,

it's

still

much

better

to

to

like

have

it

be

as

uninterrupted

as

possible.

yeah.

And

again,

i

understand

it's

a

business.

we're

trying

We're

all

trying

to

make

money,

but

like

at

what

point

do

you

sacrifice

the

quality

of

your

product

for

making

money?

My

personal

opinion,

i

would

rather

have

the

product

be

better

10

times

out

of

10.

But

then

again,

i

don't

work

for

the

business

and

I

don't

care

what

their

profits

are,

so...

Yeah,

I

feel

the

same.

I

mean,

i

i

really

just...

I

mean,

like

i

mean

I'm

not

going

to

watch

a

match

unless

it's

all

the

way

through.

your

But

i'm

um

I'm

kind

of

bitter

on

like

TV

wrestling

mostly

anyways.

If

you're

going

to

show

me

a

match,

I'll

kind

of

fast

forward.

I'll

watch

like

the

intro

and

I'll

fast

forward

to

the

matches

I

want.

And

then

if

you

go

to

commercial,

I'll

probably

just

pick

up

my

guitar

and

not

be

paying

attention

anymore.

yeah

But

pay-per-views

still

have

that...

you

know,

that

full

experience.

So

I

guess

that's

what

it's

really

about

anyways.

Oh,

that's

what

I

was

going

with

current

product,

we

forgot

to

talk

about

was

if

about

like

WWE

is

going

to

ESPN,

which

we

could

talk

about

on

another

day,

but

um

Oh

yeah,

let's

get

to

that.

well

Maybe

we'll

do

that

at

the

end

here

because

we've

only

got

two

more

matches

left.

yeah.

Cool.

So

um

match

five

was

the

NWA

United

States

championship.

Barry

Windham,

who

was

the

champion

versus

Sting.

I

think

we

missed

one.

Oh,

sorry.

Match

four

was...

Ricky

Morton

versus

Ivan

Koloff

in

the

Russian

chain

match.

Yeah,

that

was

a

fun

one.

Yeah,

nice

to

see

Ricky

Morton

by

himself.

I

keep

hearing

such

high

praise

of

Ricky

Morton

from

Ric

Flair.

Whenever

Ric

Flair

is

on

Busted

Open,

he's

always

like,

Ricky

Morton

is

the

best.

Oh,

really?

And

I

was

like,

man,

I

just

i

always

think

of

Ricky

Morton

as

as

being

part

of

the

tag

team

that

he

was

you

know

in

the

Rock

and

Roll

Express.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And

so

I

enjoyed

getting

to

see

him

by

himself.

Fun

match.

yeah

um

i

don't

know

if

that

was

a

real

chain.

it

kind

of

didn't

sound

like

it

was,

but

if

it

was,

man,

they

were

beating

the

shit

out

of

each

other

with

that

chain.

Yeah,

it

was

a

rough

match.

And

with

a

chain

match,

it's

kind

of

like

a

strap

match.

Same

idea.

You

got

to

touch

all

four

corners

while

chained

to

your

opponent.

Mm-hmm.

ah

No

disqualification.

the

shit

out

of

each

other

with

the

chain.

And

they

did

a

lot

of

that

stuff.

micy

Ricky

Morton's

entrance

was

cool.

He's

got

the

blonde

mullets,

very

like

bird-like

looking.

He

still

has

it.

Yeah.

and

He's

still

a

wrestler.

He's

he's

got

it.

Got

a

David

Lee

Roth

shirt

on.

Yeah.

70-ish.

That

was

pretty

funny.

Yeah,

yeah,

David

Lee

Ross.

He's

got

to

be

like,

what,

70-ish?

He's

wrestling

still?

Ricky

Morton?

Yeah,

he's,

how

old

is

he?

Yeah,

hes

gone

he's

got

a

match.

68.

Oh

Oh,

68.

He's

got

a

match

August

31st

out

there

in

Fort

Lauderdale

at

Summer

Smash,

an

indie

show.

And

he's

always

in

the

indies.

I've

seen

him.

He

was

in

the

Senior

Scramble

at

GCW

one

time.

my

God.

Yeah.

Yeah.

um

yeah

he's

i

think

he's

got

a

son

that

uh

comes

out

and

saves

them

or

tags

with

them

like

you

can

kind

of

not

make

him

do

as

much

because

he's

older

um

and

but

yeah

oh

yeah

i

think

he

was

yeah

the

I

remember

I

saw

it

wasn't

he

at

an

AEW

thing

a

while

back

or

maybe

it

was

the

first

all

in

or

something

I

don't

remember

but

yeah

he

came

out

I

think

they

both

came

out

ah

both

of

the

Rock

and

Roll

Express

oh

i

think

they

had

i

don't

think

it

was

that

long

ago

when

the

rock

and

roll

express

they

were

like

out

with

FTR

and

like

they

did

some

crit

like

I'm

pretty

sure

Ricky

Morton

did

like

a

fucking

Canadian

destroyer

or

something

I

think

I

could

be

wrong,

but

I

think

some

heels

beat

the

shit

out

of

the

Rock

and

Roll

Express,

right?

Or

to

get

some

heat

or

something

in

that

segment.

But

yeah,

they've

been

they've

been

on

AEW

and

they

and

they

still

do

like

action

figures

and

stuff

through

Jim

Cornette.

I

think

so.

Yeah.

So

I

think

I

do

remember

being

like,

oh,

it's

funny

that

Jim

Cornette

talks

so

much

shit

on

like

AEW

and

stuff,

but

his

buddies

or

his

best

buds

are

there

without

him,

you

know,

like,

because

you

never

see

him

go

out

to

shows

anymore.

Yeah.

Yeah.

um

Crowd

was

on

their

on

their

fucking

feet

for

this

one.

Again,

yeah,

we

didn't

mention

it

too

much,

but

like,

I

mean,

the

crowd

was

electric

the

entire

time.

And

granted,

it

was

only

two

hours

worth

of

wrestling,

but

like,

man,

oh

man,

I

just

couldn't

believe

the

noise

that

they

were

constantly

emitting.

Yeah.

Like,

insane.

Yeah.

Where

are

these

crowds?

um

Where

are

these

people

today?

Everyone

just

sits

with

their

thumb

up

their

asses.

It

was

I

know.

It

was

an

eight

minute

match.

Ricky

Morton

won

faster

than

I

expected.

And

then

afterwards,

the

Russian

assassin

attacks

Morton,

then

turns

on

Kolov.

Yes,

and

the

second

one,

there

were

two

Russian

assassins.

And

then

and

the

second

one

joins

in.

i

think

from

then

on,

there

was

Russian

assassins

who

were

a

tag

team,

assassin

one

and

assassin

two.

Yeah,

uh-huh.

Um,

so

there

was

a

lot

of

like

kind

of

aftermath

situation

happening

there.

And

then

we

went

back

to

John

Ayers

again,

which

is

super

awkward.

And

what

the

fuck?

He's

not

even

gonna

referee

anything

on

this.

Yeah,

he's

just,

it's

it's

funny.

Like

what

is

happening?

Yeah.

I

guess

maybe

he

was

well-known

back

in

the

day.

I

don't,

it

didn't

really

do

anything

for

me

though.

know.

I

mean,

and

you

got

a

49er

and

they're

in

Georgia,

right?

So

i

don't

know.

Shouldn't

there

be

like

a,

I

mean,

what's

what's

their

team

called?

The

Falcons?

A

falcon?

Yeah.

Yeah.

um

I

feel

really

weird

that

I

know

that.

I

didn't

know

I

knew.

and

i

didn't

know

I

could

name

a

football

team

by

their

city.

I'm

proud

of

you.

um

Thanks.

So

match

five

was

the

NWA

United

States

Championship.

Which

I

think

is...

Yeah.

What

was

the

first

one?

The

television

championship.

Yeah,

there

was

no

heavyweight

or

there

is

no

World's

Heavyweight

Championship

match

because

it

Flair

was

was

the

World

Champion

at

the

time.

Okay,

so

what

we're...

We

didn't

get

a

world...

Did

we

get

a

world

heavy

championship

match

on

the

other

Clash

the

Champions?

Maybe

they

don't

do...

They

saved

the

world

championship

for

the

pay-per-view.

Maybe...

Yeah,

I

can't

it

i

can't

remember.

i

feel

Didn't

we

watch

the

Flair-Funk-I-Quit

match?

Yeah,

I

don't

know.

so

i

don't

think

that

was

No,

that

was

not

for

the

belt.

There

wasn't

a

belt.

No,

it

was

just

it

was

for

pride

and

yeah

integrity.

Yeah,

maybe

they

saved

those

for

the

pay-per-views.

kind

of

Okay,

cool.

Well,

um

yeah,

so

it

was

Barry

Windham

champion

versus

Sting

challenger.

um

Yeah,

again,

crowd

screaming

nonstop.

Borderline

annoying

at

this

point.

There

was

someone

just

going,

Ah!

Over

and

over

again,

you

can

just

hear

here

this

woman

screaming.

Yeah.

um

Everybody

loves

Sting.

It's

funny

when

you

can

hear

one

person

in

the

crowd

over

and

over.

You're

like,

dude,

fucking

pick

a

different

mic.

I'm

tired

of

hearing

her.

Yeah,

shut

up.

um

At

least

they

weren't

air

horns.

Yeah,

fuck

that

shit.

um

Good

mix

of

of

hard

hits

and

and

wrestling.

they

in

in

In

the

ring,

out

of

the

ring,

back

and

forth.

Mm-hmm.

Barry

Windham

caught

some

juice.

He

bleeding

everywhere

um

pretty

quickly,

I

believe.

um

Sting

was

only

two

years

into

his

career

at

this

point.

Wow.

um

Windham

was

eight

years

in.

He

was

called

a

veteran.

so

I

think

that's

interesting

when

when

we

talk

about...

like

wrestlers

that

we

don't

think

got

it

yet

but

they

talk

about

i'm

like

oh

they're

green

you

know

they've

only

been

in

it

for

seven

years

or

eight

years

and

i'm

like

they're

talking

back

then

they

were

calling

windham

a

vet

at

eight

years

they

did

yeah

like

every

fucking

night

right

Yeah.

Well,

that's

because

they

wrestled

like

300

times

a

year

Yeah,

I

mean,

their

schedules

were

crazy.

They

were

traveling

the

country.

Some

of

them

even

wrestled

twice

in

a

day.

I

know

Flair

talks

about

one.

There

was

a

weekend

where

he

wrestled

nine

times.

Dude,

some

of

the,

probably

more

like

Mania

Weeks,

because

they

turn

into

like

South

by

Southwest

for

wrestling.

Yeah.

Some

of

those

indie

wrestlers,

i

like

so

thell

okay

so

I

listen

to

the

wrestling

news

sometimes,

which

is

just

free

in

the

morning

like

every

day.

They

just

give

you

all

the

updates.

Mm-hmm.

And

during

WrestleMania

week,

they

talk

about

all

the

indie

shows

and

stuff.

And

a

couple

years

ago,

it

was

like,

Speedball

Mike

Bailey

prevailed

over

QT

Marshall,

and

Speedball

Mike

Bailey

prevailed

Yeah.

failed

to

accomplish

and

speedball

mc

bailey

and

i

was

like

this

fucking

guy

wrestled

seven

times

yesterday

like

this

is

nuts

and

it's

it's

shit

like

that

like

i

know

dude

and

uh

yeah

and

i've

talked

to

some

other

like

there's

like

this

guy

out

here

that

that

i

know

that's

an

indie

wrestler

and

yeah

he

just

goes

out

there

and

His

name's

not

speedball

for

nothing.

Yeah.

wrestles

as

many

fucking

shows

as

you

can

get

as

long

as

you

can

get

to

the

next

match

and

um

i

don't

know

one

of

the

years

he

hurt

himself

on

like

the

second

match

so

was

like

uh

uh

it

was

over

pretty

quickly

yeah

yeah

but

i

mean

that's

gotta

to

be

kind

of

Yeah.

move

Had

to

cancel

a

lot

of

lot

shows.

Yeah.

That's

crazy.

Two

years

into

Sting's

career.

He

was

already

pretty

fucking

good

for

only

having

two

years

under

his

belt.

He

was

good.

And

you

know,

his

pro

his

promo

stuff,

ah

I

don't

know

if

it

was

on

this

one,

but

I've

been

watching

a

lot

of

like

that

era,

AEW.

was

like,

I

mean,

it

was

it

was

maybe

better

than

it

will

ever

was

later.

Like,

I

mean,

he

was

he

was

almost

as

good

as

he

needed

to

be

like

at

the

beginning.

I

mean,

you

know?

and

yeah

Yeah,

I

mean,

he

was

just

so

popular.

And,

you

know,

Sting's

never

been

really

flashy.

Yeah.

Yeah.

He

never

had

a

ton

of

crazy

moves.

um

He

kept

it

simple,

but

he

knew

how

to

convey

the

struggle.

You

know

what

I

mean?

Yeah,

yeah,

yeah.

There

was

a

ref

bump

on

this

one.

Wyndham

uses

a

chair

on

Sting

during

the

ref

bump,

and

John

Ayers,

the

charismatic-less,

is

that

a

word?

Ha

ha.

charismatic-lessly.

Ha

ha.

Our

non-charismatic

footballer

friend

got

involved

to,

I

guess,

ref

once

the

ref

was

bumped,

right?

Charisma-less.

Yeah.

Yeah,

but

what's

funny

is

like

it

didn't

count

because

I'm

pretty

sure

at

the

end

they

were

like,

okay,

Sting

wins,

but

it's

via

disqualification.

So

he

didn't

even

win

the

belt.

Right.

Yeah,

yeah.

But

again,

the

crowd

was

like,

yeah,

he

won.

And

I'm

like,

but

he

didn't

win

the

belt.

Who

cares?

and

and

you

know

And

then

we

get

to

the

Flair

commentary

segment

where

Flair

is

now

fired

up.

He's

had

his

drugs

and

he's

screaming.

Yep.

His

face

is

purple.

drops

the

line

to

beat

the

man.

He's

yelling.

beat

the

man

to

be

the

man,

you

got

to

beat

the

man.

Nice.

Oh,

yeah.

Nice.

But

I'm

now

left.

Like,

okay,

where's

this

Flair-Lex

Luger

match?

They

hyped

it

like

it

was

tonight's

thing,

and

it

wasn't

there.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

So

it

kind

of

left

me.

i

guess

I'm

stupid

or

something,

but

it

kind

of

dropped

me

off

a

cliff.

I

was

like,

all

right,

I'm

not

i'm

not

really

totally

there.

um

But

overall...

Great

sports-based

presentation.

Love

the

time

limits,

storytelling,

how

the

commentary

and

and

emphasize

emphasized

heart

and

realism.

The

production

felt

good,

authentic,

no

wink

wink

stuff.

Big

hair,

hot

crowd,

girls

screaming,

bray

eighty

s

wrestling

atmosphere

and

its

peak.

I

loved

the

environment

and

just

the

presentation.

Yeah,

yeah.

So,

well,

let's,

ah

we

might

as

well

get

into

the

grapple

grade.

So

let's

remind

everybody

we've

got

fast

forward,

play

and

rewind.

Fast

forward

is

boo,

don't

watch

it.

Play

is

you

probably

watch

it.

And

then

rewind

is

definitely

watch

it.

So

what

is

your

grapple

grade?

Oh,

you

know,

at

moments

I

was

like,

I'm

going

go

rewind

on

this

one.

But

I

think

overall

it,

It

has

the

vibe,

but

there's

just,

I

guess

with

rewind,

I

want

to

say

like

all

the

matches

were

good

or

at

least

like

90%

of

it.

And

I'd

say

like,

there's

just

a

couple

long

dragging,

like,

like

sort

of

like

there

was

a

couple

that

I

could

have

done

without.

um

And

there

wasn't

like

a

real

strong

main

event

finish

because

there

was

Ric

Flair

in

our

face

talking

about

a

better

match

that's

going

to

happen

somewhere

else.

So

I'm

going

to

go

play

because,

because

like

I

said,

there

was,

there

was

a

lot

that

I

ah

really

dug

too.

Yeah.

How

about

you?

What

you

say?

You

know,

i

i

feel

like

it

would

be

really

easy

to

say

play

also,

but

I

think

I

will

i

will

give

it

a

rewind

because

um

it's

it's

not

even

two

hours

long.

Okay,

cool.

It's

the

furthest

from

an

inconvenience

that

you

could

possibly

have

when

watching

what

I

would

consider

to

be

like

a

really

great

time

in

professional

wrestling.

You

get

to

see

a

lot

of

really

well-known

people

back

then

and

still

to

this

day.

um

yeah

I

mean,

it

wasn't

perfect,

you

know,

It's

certainly

not

banger

after

banger,

but

I

feel

like

it's

worth

it.

You

know,

if

if

you've

never

seen

this

era

of

wrestling,

absolutely

100%

watch

this

thing.

I

give

it

a

rewind.

You

know,

I

have

to

make

a

correction.

I

kept

saying

there

were

six

matches,

but

it

was

only

five,

right?

Yeah,

just

five.

Yeah.

Yeah.

um

And

I

understand

that

too

with

the

rewind.

i

was

I

was

thinking

at

points

when

I

watched

this

that

I

would

give

it

the

rewind

and

that

you

might

go

play

on

it

for

some

reason.

But

tom

I

think

having

one

and

the

other,

it

kind

of

balances

it

out

to

like

sort

of

a

four,

which

is

sort

of

where

I

would

put

it.

Yeah.

You

know,

like

a

four

out

of

five

if

we

were

going

that

by

that.

For

sure,

yeah.

I

think...

Yeah.

Because

in

reality,

I

feel

like

it

does

kind

of

fit

squarely

in

between

those

two.

Like,

is

it

absolute...

Is

every

match

absolute

required

viewing?

No,

it's

not.

Is

it

a

mid-show?

No,

it's

not.

it's

It's

kind

of

in

the

middle

there.

So,

you

know,

I

enjoyed

it.

Yeah.

I

didn't

think

I

would

as

much

as

I

did.

really...

i

really

As

I'm

getting

older,

I'm

like,

ah

thank

God,

two

hours.

This

is

so

nice.

Like

every

time

we

watch

one

that's

four

hours,

I'm

like,

geez,

what

are

we

doing

with

our

lives?

Yeah.

This

was

a

huge

improvement

from

watching

Bing

Long

SummerSlam

with

all

the

stinker

matches

a

couple

of

weeks

ago,

but

it

had

such

a

good

match

at

the

end.

Mm

hmm.

You

know,

it's

like

I

kind

of

want

it

to

be

all

really

good.

Yeah.

And

then

at

the

end,

just

like,

holy

fucking

shit,

you

know,

but.

There's

just

not,

yeah,

there's

not

a

lot

of

all

killer,

no

filler.

I

mean,

what

i

was

thinking

about

this

yesterday.

i

was

like,

man,

what

what

should

i

what

should

be

my

next

one?

And

I

think

I

have

one,

but

there

was

a

part

of

me

that

was

like,

why

don't

we

just

watch

an

NXT

pay-per-view

from

2017?

Because

you

want

to

talk

about

wire-to-wire,

banger

every

match.

Those

pay-per-views

are

nuts.

And

I

don't

think

you

were

watching

at

the

time,

but

like...

Yeah.

Oh

my

God,

dude.

i

watched

I

watched

the

opener

of

something.

I

think

it

was

NXT

TakeOver

Dallas.

And

it

was

American

Alpha,

which

was

Chad

Gable

and

some

other

guy,

Justin

Johnson,

maybe,

who

I've

never

heard

of.

Chad

Gable

with

super

long

hair

versus

The

Revival

or

FTR.

And

the

crowd

was

fucking

bananas,

dude.

yeah

Every

every

match,

it's

just...

Maybe

one

of

these

days

we'll

have

to

do

an

NXT

one,

even

though

it

kind

of

goes

against

our

premise

of

a

very

old

school

VHS

era

stuff.

But

ah

let's

talk

about

the

ah

the

ESPN

WWE

pay-per-view

deal

really

quick.

Yeah.

um

That

was

announced,

I

think,

last

week.

And,

you

know,

for

me

personally,

i

don't

fucking

care.

I

already

have

ESPN,

so

it's

not

like

it's

an

inconvenience

to

me.

But

I

did

think

it

was

a

very

interesting

choice.

it

kind

of

You

know,

it

obviously

makes

sense.

they

want

to

They

want

to

make

money.

They

want

to

sell

rights

in

as

many

different

ways.

arenas

and

avenues

as

they

can.

um

So

it's

sort

of

a

natural

fit

given

how

UFC

is

also

airing

on

ESPN

and

ESPN

Plus.

But

I

know

that

it

has,

ah

you

know,

it's

been

a

pretty

divisive

decision.

People

are

not

thrilled.

The

people

that

don't

have

cable

anymore

that

don't

have

yeah

ESPN

are

not

thrilled

about

having

to

pay

$30

month

for

yeah

ESPN.

Well,

it's

because

they're

used

to

paying

$12.99

or

something,

whatever

um

Peacock

is.

For

Peacock,

yeah.

i

mean,

you

could

pay

I

think

you

could

pay

even

$9.99

if

you

don't

care

about

ads.

Oh,

yeah.

so

So

then

it's

200%

increase.

Anytime

you

do

that,

if

you're

selling,

you

know.

Yeah.

You're

going

to

alien

alienate

somebody,

yeah.

Yeah,

but

I

mean,

$30

watch

pay-per-views

is

not...

What

do

you

think

about

it?

to

watch

pay

views

is

It's

better

than

$50

or

$60.

not

Yeah.

Yeah,

at

this

point

in

my

life,

like

it's

it's

not

like

ah

an

amount

of

money

that

I

even

noticed.

I

probably

pay

for

some

of

these

streaming

services.

Well,

I

have

sometimes

twice

for

years

and

not

even

noticed.

um

which

I

suspect

I've

been

paying

for

Paramount

Plus

twice

because

my

TVs

don't

ever

remember

where

I'm

at.

Yeah.

And

I'm

like,

am

i

I

have

two

profiles.

like

Anyways,

um

so

i

don't

i

mean

I

don't

know.

I'm

not

someone

that's

going

to

kick

and

scream.

When

I

was

in

my

20s

and

trying

to...

yeah

you

know

and

and

china

but

scrape

up

$10

to

see

a

friend's

band.

Yeah.

It

would

have

pissed

me

the

fuck

off.

You

know,

like,

like

if

all

of

a

sudden

like

concerts

were

$30

instead

of

10,

you

know?

um

so

I

understand.

I

just,

I

guess

I

don't

really

care

right

now.

I

watch,

I

mean,

we

can

still

watch

it

on

Netflix

with

a

VPN,

right?

Yeah,

but

you

know

what?

I

was

trying

to

watch

SmackDown

on

Friday

with

a

VPN

on

Netflix,

and

for

the

first

time,

Netflix

was

like,

we

don't

recognize

where

you're

at.

And

I

was

like,

no,

don't

tell

me.

You

fucking

figured

out

my

sneakiness.

So

i

don't

know

if

I

don't

know

I

mean,

i

obviously

they're

going

to

clamp

down

and

and

stop

people

from

doing

that

when

possible,

but...

Yeah.

Hopefully

that

was

just

a

temporary

inconvenience

for

me

because

I

really

enjoyed

watching

net

watching

raw

and

NXT

and

SmackDown

on

Netflix,

usually

with

all

the

commercials

taken

out.

And

now

I,

now

I

can't

do

that.

You

know,

I

was

watching,

I

think,

trying

to

watch

SmackDown

this

past

Friday

from

Canada,

and

it

wouldn't

let

me.

Okay.

And

then

I

went

down

to

Mexico

on

the

VPN,

and

and

that's

what

that

worked.

Okay.

And

I

was

like,

all

right,

fuck

guys.

Okay,

that's

funny

because

I

was

trying

Canada

too

and

it

didn't

work

for

me

either,

but

I

did

not

try

in

Mexico.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay.

So

maybe

I'll

have

to

try

that

next

time.

Okay.

Yeah.

But

I

mean,

eventually

they're

going

to

stop

us

from

playing

around

with

but

I

just

hope

the

pay-per-views

are

accessible

to

us

somewhere.

Yeah.

um

i

heard

that

the

deal

with

ESPN,

I'm

talking

about,

sorry.

I

just

hope

the

back

catalog

is

accessible

to

us

somewhere

because

I

heard

that

the

back

catalog

is

not

included

with

the

ESPN

deal.

Yes,

that's

a

big

thing.

It

is

not.

Yeah.

From

what

I've

read

also.

And

i

you

know,

again,

they're

a

business,

they're

trying

to

make

money.

It

makes

sense

that

they

would

separate

that

out

now.

And,

you

know,

maybe

they

re

up

their

deal

with

Peacock.

Maybe

it

goes

somewhere

else.

I

think,

I

hope

that

it

goes

somewhere

else

because

to

lose

that

back

catalog

would

not

only

be

horrible

for

this

podcast,

but

I

feel

like

it's

just

a

detriment

in

general

to

professionally,

professional

wrestling

fans,

because,

know,

There's

so

much

there.

There's

literally

more

wrestling

than

you

could

probably

ever

watch

in

your

lifetime

in

that,

in

that

Peacock

catalog.

Yeah.

I

mean,

I

just

have

it

on

at

my

work

and

at

my

house,

like

all

fucking

day,

just

in

the

room.

I

just

like

wrestling

on

the

TV

and,

you

know,

I

can

just,

you

put

on

nitro

and,

you

know,

I

mean,

it's

dude,

Yeah.

I

don't

all

those

fucking

years

with

it

going

on

for

hours

every

week.

Yeah.

I

mean,

it's

just

an

unlimited

amount

of

thing.

Every

time

I

walk

by

the

TV,

I'm

like,

I've

never

seen

this

before.

What

the

fuck

is

this?

This

is

crazy.

Yeah.

And

it's

always

just

like

wild

shit.

but

um

But

it's

not

just

Nitro,

obviously.

It's

like

all

the

shows

and

some

of

it

goes

back

to

like

the

70s,

the

archives

and...

Yeah.

They

have

Georgia

championship

wrestling.

They

have,

ah

you

know,

i

quite

frankly,

I

wish

they

had

more

territory

stuff.

um

Yeah.

Yeah.

I

know

there

are

territories

that

I

hear

people

talk

about

with

such

high

regard.

And

then

I

go

to

try

and

find

them

and

i'm

like,

Oh,

it's

not

there.

So,

you

know,

no

I

was

done.

That's

why

the...

Oh,

go

ahead.

and

Oh,

That's

why

the

tape

traders,

they

some

of

them

are

holding

steady.

They're

like,

you

know,

this

isn't

guaranteed

that

you

have

access

to

all

this

forever.

Hmm.

Yeah.

So

we'll

keep

our

tapes.

And,

you

know,

there

might

be

things

that

kind

of

disappear.

and

And

some

of

them

claim

to

have,

you

know,

copies

that

are

better

than

what

Peacock

has

because

some

of

these

all

these

old

this

old

footage,

like,

they

yeah,

they

take

the

music

out.

They

take

the

music

out.

Or

they

just,

if

it's

old,

old

stuff,

they

get

they

got

whatever

tape

in

whatever

condition

they

could

and

put

and

you

know,

upload

it,

digitized

it.

Mm-hmm.

And

it's

not

in

its

complete

form

or

it's

been

dubbed

a

few

times.

Yeah,

I've

seen

ive

i've

seen

those

um

on

the

WWE

Vault

YouTube

channel,

on

the

WCW

YouTube

channel.

They've

been

posting

things

recently

where

they

have

that

disclaimer

at

the

bottom

where

that's

like,

this

is

presented

to

you

in

the

best

possible

format.

Yeah.

you

know

a

bunch

of

shit's

been

lost.

And

it's

so

interesting.

Yeah.

i

you

know

i

certainly

would

rather

see

it

than

not

see

it.

But

Kind

of

crazy

that

like

some

of

this

stuff

is

just

lost

to

the

sands

of

time.

Yeah,

and

some

of

that

stuff

wasn't

from

any

studio.

It

was

like

it

aired,

it

was

over,

like

and

just

some

guy

happened

to

tape

it,

and

that's

what

you're

watching

on

Peacock,

yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah,

like

the...

Was

it

a

Great...

amount

So

in,

I

think,

85

or

86,

they

took

the

Great

American

Bash

on

tour,

and

they

did

a

bunch

of

different

Great

American

Bash

shows

in

different

cities.

And

I

don't

think

all

of

them

were

televised

or

even

taped.

So

one

of

the

ones

that

got

posted

maybe

a

month

or

two

ago

was

like...

I

was

watching

it

and

i

was

like

I

don't

think

this

was

on

TV

or

on

pay-per-view

just

because

of

the

angles

and

the

types

of

cameras

that

they

were

using.

Yeah.

It

just

felt

like

they

were

like,

okay,

let's

record

it

but

I

don't

know

what

we're

going

to

do

with

it.

Yeah.

When

you

go

to

WWE

house

shows,

it's

funny.

There's

camera

guys

everywhere,

even

though

it's,

even

though

it's

not

on

anything,

but

yeah,

I

might

as

well.

that

They

grab

it

for

the

socials

and

stuff.

But,

um,

Yeah,

well,

I

guess

we'll

be

okay.

It'll

be

somewhere.

I

mean,

this

big

fancy

company

is

not

going

to

all

of

a

sudden

have

the

rights

to

all

this

wrestling

for

all

a

history

and

not

fucking

get

paid

for

it,

you

know?

It

has

to

be.

Yeah.

So,

um

what

do

you

want

to

watch

next

time?

This

one

was

my

call,

so

this

next

one

will

be

your

call,

Aaron.

So

I

think

I

want

us

to

give

ECW

another

try.

i

Okay.

did

a

bit

of

Googling

and

it

seems

like

people

tend

to,

in

addition

to

barely

legal,

which

we

watched,

they

tend

to

say

that

a

heat

wave

1998

is

one

of

the

better

ECW

pay-per-views.

So

I

want

to

check

that

one

out.

Seems

like

it's

got

some

interesting

shit

in

it.

I

think

there

is,

let's

see,

we've

got

a,

Balls

Mahoney

and

Axel

Rotten

versus

FBI.

Just

Incredible

against

Jerry

Lynn.

Chris

Candido

against

Lance

Storm.

and

Masato

Tanaka

against

Mike

Awesome,

which

we

saw

at

ECW

One

Night

Stand.

Oh,

yeah.

So

I'm

kind

of

curious

how

that

is.

RVD

and

Sabu

a

tag

match.

Oh,

shit.

Taz

against

Bam

Bam.

I

don't

know

if

you've

seen

that

ever.

Whoa.

It's

a

pretty

famous

moment

from

that

match,

which

I

won't

ah

spoil

for

you.

Okay.

And

then

our

old

pal

Tommy

Dreamer

and

Sandman

and

against

the

Dudleys.

Wow,

that

sounds

like

a

good

one.

I

am

stoked.

Well,

I

think

that's

all

the

time

we

have

for

today.

If

you

want

to

call

and

cut

a

promo

on

us

or

send

us

a

message,

if

you

have

comments

or

thoughts

about

all

the

stuff

we've

just

watched

about

Clash

of

the

Champions

3,

or

if

you

have

any

suggestions

on

your

pay-per-views

we

should

watch

next,

you

can

send

us

an

email

grapple

city

pod

at

gmail.com

or

you

can

find

us

on

socials.

We're

grapples

at

grapple

city

pod.

And

of

course

you

can

call

six,

two,

six,

six,

five,

seven

slam

and

cut

a

pro

promo

on

us.

Uh,

tell

us

how

shitty

we

are,

how

wrong

we

are,

or

how

much

you

just

love

the

show.

Um,

like,

uh,

Yeah,

I

want

to

hear,

we

we

talked

about

a

lot

of

current

stuff.

I

want

to

know

what

people

think

about

our

our

takes

on

current

things

because

that

we

clearly,

ah

you

know,

let

somebody

be

divisive.

Somebody

somebody

argue

with

me.

All

right.

Well,

someone

that

wasn't

a

divisive,

I'll

leave

him

here

at

the

outro,

was

our

friend.

That's

what

I

want.

I

think

he

said

his

name

was

Big

Ol'

Leroy

or

something.

Left

a

message

by

calling

626-657-SLAM.

And

it

was

a

it

was

positive

promo

for

once.

So

until

next

time,

we

will

catch

you

in

the

cheap

seats.

Okay.

And

here's

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Oh,

hang

on.

I

forgot.

ah

You

take

your

time.

By

the

way,

um

this

connection

seems

to

be

good

so

far,

huh?

Yeah,

looks

great.

Yeah.

I'm

glad

that

we

finally

solved

that

problem.

Yeah,

I

was

kind

of

being

a

little

stubborn.

I'm

like,

oh,

I'm

to

have

to

do

something

with,

like,

electronics.

This

sucks.

It

was

easy

though,

right?

Dude,

it

was

no

problem.

I

mean,

i

think,

like,

one

of

the

things

didn't

find

the

Wi-Fi

at

first,

so

I

had

to,

like,

I

don't

know,

plug

it

back

in.

Yeah.

it

was

it

was

ah

about

like,

it's

frustrating.

It's

just

that,

it's

like

nothing.

That's

good.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Oh,

and

and

then

all

the

devices

that

were

looking

for

the

other

wifi,

i

had

to

switch

them.

Yeah.

Right.

That

was

like

the

longest

part.

That,

yeah,

that's

definitely

the

most

annoying

part,

but

I

think

ah

hopefully

you

can

see

improvements

in

other

things

that

you

do

on

the

internet

too.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Oh

yeah.

Yeah,

for

sure.

ah

Okay,

cool.

um

Hey

everyone,

this

is

Aaron

Fink

from

Grapple

City

Rewind.

If

you

like

what

you

hear

on

this

episode,

give

us

a

follow,

leave

us

a

review,

cut

a

promo

on

us

by

calling

626-657-SLAM.

Anything

goes.

It'll

go

a

long

way

in

helping

us

to

be

discovered

by

more

wrestling

fans

like

you.

Alright,

cue

that

music.

and

Hello

and

welcome

to

Grapple

City

Rewind,

taking

you

all

the

way

back

to

the

iconic

pay-per-views

and

television

specials

of

that

define

wrestling

I

think

that's

how

it

normally.

and

like

the

iconic

paperviews

and

tv

specials

that

defined

wrestling

history

i

think

that's

how

i

say

it

normally

I'm

Bradley

Palermo

here

as

always

with

Aaron

Fink

and

today

we're

talking

we're

heading

back

to

September

7th

1988

for

Clash

of

the

Champions

3

fall

brawl

this

card

gave

us

a

little

bit

of

everything

time

limit

drama

bloody

bras

dusty

roads

doing

dusty

things

and

Ric

Flair

cutting

in

promos

that

can

and

have

sold

out

Arenas

all

across

the

country.

We

will

break

down

the

NWA

world

TV

title

clash

between

Brad

Armstrong

and

Mike

Rotunda.

The

Sheep

Herders

before

they

were

the

Bushwhackers.

Dusty

taking

on

kevin

sullivan

it's

called

Kevin

Sullivan

with

Gary

Hart

lurking

around.

Gary

Morton

in

a

brutal

Russian

chain

match.

And

Sting

chasing

Barry

Windham

for

the

U.S.

title.

Plus,

we'll

talk

about

what

worked,

what

didn't

work.

and

why

this

era

of

Jim

Crockett

promotion

still

feels

so

raw

and

real

compared

to,

in

my

opinion,

some

of

the

stuff

that

we

see

today.

So

grab

your

neon

tights,

crank

up

that

sick

80s

theme

music,

and

get

ready

to

rewind.

But

first,

Aaron,

I

think

we

should

talk

a

little

current

product.

Maybe,

Yeah.

did

you

catch

any

of

that

AAA,

TripleMania?

the

other

day.

i

saw

some

of

it,

not

the

whole

thing,

but

I

thought

it

was

kind

of

interesting.

yeah

It's

very...

Yeah,

it

was

it

was

fun.

um

I

don't

think

I

watched

all

of

it

either.

i

turned

it

on

probably

a

couple

of

times,

once

in

the

middle,

and

then

towards

the

end,

I

saw

the...

the

match

with

Mr.

Iguana

and

Judgment

Day.

Oh,

yeah.

And

I

got

to

see

little

the

demonito

Finn

Balor

puppet,

which

I

thought

was

pretty

funny.

was

surprised

by

how

much

sports

entertainment

there

was

in

in

TripleMania.

But

I

guess

when

you

compare...

AAA

to

like

CMLL.

I

think

AAA

is

a

little

bit

sillier

in

general.

It

is.

So

feels

like

a

natural

fit.

um

It

was

fun.

The

crowd

was

excited.

It

was

like

a

sold

out

19,000

people

arena.

Yeah.

um

the

The

matches

that

I

actually

watched,

I

watched

the

AAA

women's

championship

match

with

Natty.

Yeah.

And

the

two

other

female

wrestlers

that

I

can't

remember

the

name

of.

And

then

I

also

watched

the

the

main

event,

the

Fatal

4-Way,

with

El

Hijo

del

Viquingo,

Dragon

Lee,

Dominic

Mysterio

and

el

Grande

Americano,

who

I

have

to

say

got

one

hell

of

a

reception

for

being

what

I

thought

was

like

a

horribly

racist

gimmick.

Apparently

not.

right

They

loved

it.

I

don't

know.

I

guess

the

Chad

Gable

version

of

El

Grande

Americano

was

like

a

little

stupider

than

the

Ludwig

Kaiser

version.

you

And

he's

like

actually

speaking

Spanish

and

like,

you

know,

don't,

so

they

just

swapped

who

el

grande

americano

is

yeah

okay

Yeah,

because

Chad

Gable

got

hurt

at

that

AAA

WWE

When

Worlds

Collide

thing

that

was

right

before

Money

in

the

Bank

that

we

went

to.

Yeah,

he

had

ah

i

think

his

main

event

match

was

against

Vikingo,

and

he

got

hurt.

So

he's

he

hasn't

been

wrestling

for

a

while,

and

if

they

they

decided

in

storyline

to...

Well,

he

he's

you

know

in

storyline,

he's

not

el

El

Grande

Americano

is

not

hurt.

Okay.

its

He's

still

there,

but

it's

clearly

Ludwig

Kaiser

now.

Well,

I

was

going

to

say

when

I

was

watching

it,

I

was

like,

why

is

this?

How

did

El

Grande

Americano

get

taller?

Like

maybe

it's

not

Chad

Gable.

Tolerant,

ganglier.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I

was

like,

oh

my

God,

that's

funny.

Yeah.

You

know,

um

so

I've

mentioned

it

before,

but

I

went

Triple

Media

once.

it

was

only

a

couple

years

ago

at

the

same

arena,

arena

um

like

Mexico

City.

Arena

Mexico?

Yeah.

so

it's

So

Arena

Mexico

is

where

CMLL

performs.

oh

Oh.

Okay.

And

Arena

CDMX,

Ciudad

de

Mexico,

whatever,

is

is

the

other

one.

Mm-hmm.

So

they

almost

have

the

same

name.

But

one

is

all

AAA

stuff.

The

other

one

is

exclusively

CMLL.

and

I

see.

But

back

when

I

went,

it

was

all...

you

know,

luchadors

and

like

AEW

stuff,

Taya

Valkyrie

and

QC,

QT

Marshall

was

playing

the

American

heel.

He

came

out

in

like

American

flag

tights

and

with

American

flag,

you

know,

and

he

got

beers

chucked

at

his

head.

I

mean,

it

got

like,

it

got

like

violent,

but

he

was,

he

tried

to

unmask

Penta.

um

my

god.

Yeah.

And

he

did

unmask

Penta,

but

Penta

put

his

hands

over

his

head

so

fast.

Oh

my

gosh.

But

it

was

like

the

most

insulting

thing

you

can

do

to

a

luchador

is

remove

their

mask.

Yeah.

and

he

And

he

won

some

sort

of,

you

know,

title

that

day.

And,

um

you

know,

he

got

a

lot

of

heat.

And

I

just

i

think

it's

funny

that

now

WWE

has

their

guys

in

there

and

they

still

have

an

American

to

get

heat.

Yeah.

It

must

be

like

a

good

way

to

get

heat

to

come

down

there

and

be

a

smug

American,

know.

It's

funny,

though,

because

I

don't

feel

like

any

of

the

Americans

had

any

heat.

Like

in

the

main

event,

everyone

was

cheering.

Well,

I

guess

I

don't

know

if

you

call

Dom

an

American.

He

is

to

me.

He's

born

in

San

Diego.

Yeah.

so

Dom

and

El

Grande

Americano

got

the

biggest

crowd

reactions

of

that

whole

main

event.

The

crowd

was

booing

Vikingo.

Yeah,

that's

weird.

I

looked

it

up,

I

guess.

that

Well,

so

they're

mad

because

when

I

think

when

WWE

announced

that

it

had

acquired

AAA,

ah

Alberto

Del

Rio

was

the

champion

and

they

quickly

took

the

belt

off

of

him

and

put

it

on

Vikingo.

Yeah.

And

so

i

I

guess

what

I'm

reading

online

is

that

people

feel

like

this

is

equivalent

to

Roman

Reigns

in

2015

where,

you

know,

the

promotion

is

like,

this

is

the

guy.

Vikingo

is

the

guy.

right

right

And

the

crowd's

like,

fuck

you.

Del

Rio

is

the

guy.

I

don't

remember

what

his,

his

that's

not

his

name

in

AAA,

but

yeah.

I

say

good

riddance

to

Del

Rio.

I

don't

know

if

you

know

much

about

him,

but

he

got

accused

of

sexual

assault

in

2020

or

2021.

right

And

they

dropped

the

case

because

the

primary

witness,

the

accuser,

disappeared.

Okay.

Cute.

Like,

are

you

fucking

kidding

me?

They

just

dropped

it.

Yeah.

Right.

Yeah.

I

mean,

so

WWE,

sometimes

they

want

to

sanitize

themselves

with

some

people

and

sometimes,

you

know,

yeah.

Good

riddance.

Yeah,

they

they

haven't.

they

once

he

Once

they

got

him,

he's

gone.

And

I've

read

that

there's

no,

I

mean,

there's

currently

no

plans

to

sign

him

again.

so

Yeah.

makes

sense

to

me.

Kind

of

funny

that

they

pick

and

choose

which

assaulters

they

want

to

sign

and

not

sign,

but

whatever.

Right.

Yeah.

You

know,

Vakingo

won

the

championship

when

I

went

a

couple

years

ago.

And

then

he

was

like

appearing

all

over.

He

was

on,

he

was

in

AEW,

right?

he's

on

an

Rampage

almost

every

week.

Yeah.

And

then...

He

had

a

match

with

Omega

that

was

really

good.

I

think

on

a

dynamite

a

couple

of

years

ago.

Yeah.

And

then

it

still

just

blows

my

mind.

I

guess

that's

wrestling,

but

to

see

him

at

WrestleMania,

I'm

like,

I've

seen

you

in,

you

know,

like

B

shows

from

AEW

and

in

person

in

like

Mexico,

like

you,

I,

you

represent

like

kind

of

indie

wrestling

to

me

or

more,

you

know,

more

like

kind

of

the

next

level,

not

like

the

Disney,

not

like

the

Disney

five

version

of

wrestling

with

WWE.

Yeah.

And

then

to

see

him

on

there,

I

was

kind

of

like,

Whoa,

this

is

crazy.

And

kind

of

cool.

Yeah,

it

it

was

a

fun

show

from

what

I

saw.

Um,

The

clip,

I

think

that

everybody

was

talking

about

was

Omos

wrestling.

I

forget

what

the

like

a

mini.

He

was

a

a

little

person.

He's

like

three

feet

five

or

something.

Oh,

that's

kind

of

funny.

And

did

you

see

this

this

clip?

It

was

it

was

really

funny

that

the

little

guy,

i

can't

remember

what

his

name

is,

um

but

he

like

kicks

Omos

in

the

in

the

calf

and

Omos

like

turns

around.

No.

and

just

looks

out

ahead

and

because

he's

seven

feet

tall,

he

sees

nobody.

And

then

he

looks

down

and

he

sees

him

and

he

just

gives

him

a

boot

and

shoves

him

to

the

ground.

I

mean,

got

to

say,

like

it

was

not

certainly

not

serious

professional

wrestling

happening

for

the

most

part,

although

I

feel

like

the

main

event

was

was

pretty

good

in

that

regard.

Yeah.

But

there

was

a

lot

of

entertaining,

silly

stuff

that

happened

at

TripleMania.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I

mean,

to

play

out,

like

they'll

do,

they'll

have

the

ref

get

into

fights,

like

in

goofy

ways,

the

two

refs

start

fighting

each

other,

you

know,

they

have,

um,

There

was

a

heel

ref

too.

I

saw

a

clip

of

that

where

he

was

like

the

slow

count.

Like

he

was

like,

look

one

looking

again

too

And

I

was

like,

bro,

that

would

infuriate

me.

yeah.

Yeah,

they

do

a

lot

of

that

shit.

Oh,

I

mean,

they

had

this

pharmacist

to

come

out

when

I

was

there.

It

was

like,

it's

this

like

bald

white

guy

is

like

their

their

mascot.

a

pharmacist.

So

somebody

comes

out

in

like

a

Mickey

Mouse

outfit,

but

it's

a

bald

white

guy

with

like

the

tufts

of

gray

hair

on

both

sides

and

like

a

lab

coat.

Oh

God.

So

it's

like

a

man

in

a

man

suit.

Right.

And

he's

got

plushie

dolls

of

himself.

of

this

little

of

them

of

these

old

man

plushie

dolls.

And

he

starts

like

blowing

them

out

to

the

crowd

in

this

sort

of

air

gun

type

device.

Yeah,

the

T-shirt

cannon.

Yeah.

And

I

had

both

my

middle

fingers

out.

i

was

i

got

the

i

got

my

section

to

start

chanting,

we

want

wrestling

in

English.

and

um

And

dude,

he

blew

it

right

at

my

fucking

middle

fingers.

And

I

just

kind

of

turned

my

hands

and

caught

it.

Now

it's

one

of

my

dog,

Dale's

toys.

But...

Amazing.

there

There's

some

goofy

motherfuckers

and

and

they're

so

but

they're

so

fun

and

everybody

wears

their

luchador

masks.

And

so

like,

we

got

to

go.

I

mean,

it's

a

two

and

a

half

hour

flight

from

Los

Angeles.

Like

I

got

to

go

back

for

more

of

their

shit.

Yeah,

we

could

do

that.

You

know,

there

was

a

a

clip

going

around

of

Triple

H

giving

a

speech

to

the

locker

room

that

I

thought

was

nice.

Yeah.

It

was

basically

like,

you

know,

this

is

a

great

opportunity.

We're

not

here

to

change

what

you

all

are

doing.

We're

here

to

add

to

it

we're

at

We're

here

to

enhance

it.

And

I

felt

like

what

I

saw...

Yeah.

kept

the

spirit

of

that

that

statement.

you

know

it

It

felt

unique.

It

didn't

feel

fully

like

wwe

WWE,

but

there

were

little

sprinkles

of

it

in

there.

you

know

I

mean,

it

was,

yeah,

it

was

cool.

it

It

definitely

still

looked,

you

know,

they

have

kind

of

like

the

weird

yellow

mat

and

stuff.

And

like,

I

mean,

it's

the

same,

it's

the

same

arena.

All

their

stars

were

there,

Parca

and

so

um

Dr.

Ragnar

Jr.

and

all

these

guys,

but

the

iguana

dude,

yeah.

hamburg

is

I

don't

know.

like

It's

all

the

same

ones

I

saw.

Yeah.

but

like

But

they

had,

on

on

four

of

the

six

matches,

they

had

WWE.

So

it

was

just

wild.

It

was

like

WWE's

just

here.

like

get

Right

involved

and

in

all

of

it.

Yeah.

you

know

And

it's

like,

you

had

Natalya

in

the

one.

I

really

enjoyed

Natty.

Yeah.

You

know,

have

you

have

you

seen

any

of

the

stuff

that

she's

done

outside

of

the

WWE

wwe

in

the

last

few

months?

yeah

Have

we

talked

about

this

at

all?

we

We

may

have,

but

i

yeah

I'm

a

fan

of

GCW,

so

I

watch

Bloodsport.

Yeah,

she

was

on

Bloodsport.

Yeah.

He's

been

on

that

multiple

times.

I

just

did

another

one,

too,

SummerSlam

Weekend.

hu

Yeah,

I've

seen

her

bloodsport

matches.

um

I

saw

her

match

for

Reality

of

Wrestling,

Booker

T's

school.

ah

She

had

an

NWA

match

that

I

did

not

see,

but

I'm

really

enjoying

this

new

thing

that

she's

doing

because

you

know

in

WWE,

she's

Natalya.

She's

the

the

veteran.

She's

the

nice

you

know

friend,

coach,

mentor

of

the

locker

room.

But

when

she's

outside

of

the

WWE,

she's

She's

Natty,

the

low-key

legend

wearing

singlets

and

you

know

mouth

guards

and

saying

she's

going

to

fuck

you

up

and

flipping

off

the

crowd,

coming

out

to

rage

against

the

machine.

run

it

yeah

yeah

i

love

that

for

her.

um

And

I'm

hopeful

that

ah

the

Monday

Night

Raw

that's

happening

right

now

is

going

to

have

a

little

bit

of

that

because

Becky

and

Natalya

are

having

a

match

this

evening.

And

Becky

said

to

her

on

Raw

last

week,

I

don't

want

Natalya,

I

want

Natty.

So

I

hope

that

we

get

that

because

unfortunately,

yeah

as

good

as

she

is,

she's

been,

you

know,

so

she's

been

sat

in

the

back

for

years,

not

really

doing

anything

super

important.

And

I

feel

like

she

has

so

much

potential

and

and

more

than

anything

else,

she

has

so

much

passion.

She

still

wants

to

do

stuff

and

she

hasn't

been.

So

I

hope

that

this

is

the

beginning

of

a

new

leaf

for

Natalia.

Yeah,

I

feel

like

she's

my

age,

you

know,

she

was

born

in

1982

and,

you

know,

that's

kind

of

old,

especially

for

ah

wrestler,

especially

for

female

wrestlers

to

be

on

a

roster

at

this

ripe

age.

And

this

ripe

age

and

I

feel

like

they

were

just

going

to

leave

her

there

to

ah

die,

so

to

speak,

like

for

her

career

to

die.

Yeah.

And

she

took

it,

I

guess,

her

own

initiative

with

the

permission

of

the

WWE

w

to

go

out

and

like

reinvent

herself.

And

I

think

wrestling

fans

know

what's

going

on

in

underground

stuff.

Like

we

read

a

lot

of

a

lot

of

stuff.

Yeah.

So

I

feel

like

it's

cool.

It's

kind

of

like

she

didn't

have

to

leave

and

do

like

a

Cody

Rhodes,

go

to

the

Indies

and

come

back.

She

can

do

that

all

while

under

the

WWE

w

banner.

It's

just

kind

of

showing

the

ah

the

new

WWE

and

like

how

it

works

and

how

it's

more

like

kind

of

wrestling

friendly.

I

think

as

far

as,

you

know,

they're

all

over

the

indie

shows.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

They

have

a

WWE

ID.

So

like

half

these

guys

on

like

GCW

shows

are

WWE

ID.

So

that

like

none

of

the

AW

guys

are

around

and

like

Natty

can

come

down

and

do

her

shit

and

they

can

test

it

out.

They

don't

have

to

like

play

it

on

a

house

show.

Even

they

can

just

test

out

new

characters,

bring,

you

know,

I

think

it's

going

to

work

for

their

company.

Yeah.

It's

good.

i

mean,

I

found

out

the

other

day,

Omos

has

been

gone

for

months.

I

found

out

he's

been

at

NOAA

for

months.

Oh,

Right.

um

Yeah.

And

and

so

like

I

think

it's

great.

I

mean,

if

you

think

about

it,

WWE

only

has

so

much

time

in

a

week,

right?

So

much

TV

time.

They

don't

really

do

house

shows

anymore.

So

I

feel

like

all

of

this

mingling

and

sending

people

out

and

making

the

deal

with

AAA

and

with

TNA,

it

can

only

be

good

in

the

long

run.

Obviously,

There's

the

whole

conversation

of

like

the

monopolization

of

professional

wrestling.

And

you

know

I

read

this

past

weekend

that

WWE,

or

there's

been

reports

that

WWE

is

really

trying

to

figure

out

how

to

position

TNA

as

the

number

two

wrestling

company,

which...

right

Right.

I

don't

really

think

is

going

to

happen.

I

think

AEW

has

got

their

foothold

by

this

point,

but

I

like

that

in

a

way

it's

almost

like

WWE

is

kind

of

starting

a

new

NWA.

You

know,

they're,

they've

got

all

these

people

that

they're

working

with

and

they're

letting

somebody

who,

I

don't

know.

I

mean,

I

guess

I

haven't

seen

too

much

of

it,

but

it's

just

nice

that

there

are

options

for

people

who

don't

get

a

lot

of

TV

time.

If

maybe

they're

not

on

Raw,

SmackDown,

NXT,

they

can

go

somewhere

else

and

they

can

get

reps.

And

that's

what's

most

important

is

they

need

to

wrestle

in

front

of

a

live

crowd.

but

So

hopefully

this

is

all

a

good

thing.

They've

i

think

it's

probably

a

bit

of

a

pipe

dream

to

try

and

make

TNA

the

number

two

wrestling

promotion,

but

They're

a

business.

They're

going

try

to

you

know

assert

their

dominance

and

become

a

more

successful

business

as

all

businesses

do.

So

we'll

just

have

to

wait

and

see

how

that

pans

out.

That

being

said,

you

know

AEW

has

been

pretty

good

lately.

they

I

mean,

Dynamite's

solid.

Yeah,

I

mean,

eight

of

TNA

has

quite

an

archive.

I

mean,

they

think

they've

had

some

of

the

greats

before

they

were

in

AEW,

like

Ospreay

and

such.

Yeah.

um

but

Wasn't

like

Samoa

Joe

in

there

for

a

while?

Well,

yeah.

Joe

was

there.

Styles

was

probably

their

biggest

person.

Yeah.

And

when

he

left,

that

was

really

the

downfall

of

of

Impact

back

in

the

day.

Yeah.

As

soon

as

he

got

signed

to

WWE,

wwe

it

was

like,

crash.

Yeah.

crash

yeah

they

Yeah,

they're

hot

right

now.

They

have

WWE

talent.

It's

funny,

like

WWE

lends

their

people

out

to

all

these

other

indie

promotions,

but

then

they

have

a

TV

show

on

Tubi

with

their

own

indie

promotion,

e

Evolve,

and

nobody's

on

that

thing.

yeah

It's

like,

I

mean,

it's

like

the

WWE

ID

indie

guys,

but

I'm

like,

you

got

to

put

Omos

there

maybe?

Yeah.

You

didn't

have

to

put

him

like,

you

know,

because

that

would

help

the

TV

show.

I

guess,

but

you

know,

if

you

want,

yeah,

no,

it

would.

Yeah.

But

I

guess

what's,

what's,

it

seems

like

that

when

a

wrestler

is

like,

Hey,

you're

not

using

me,

I'd

like

to

go

do

X.

It

seems

like

they're

saying,

okay.

And

you

know,

I

would

assume

that

Omos

was

like,

I

want

to

go

to

Japan.

And

they

were

like,

all

right,

go

to

Japan.

Right.

um

You

know,

evolve

to

me

is

like,

Right.

the

step

under

NXT,

right?

You've

got

indie

people

who

the

mainstream

WWE

wwe

audience

has

no

idea

about.

It

is.

Yeah.

i

know

that

the

winner

of

LFG

season

one,

Tyra

Mae

Steele

was

ah

relegated

to

Evolve

for

a

little

while.

I

think

she

might

be

back

on

NXT,

but

I,

you

know,

I

don't

think

any

of

this

is

going

to

hurt

the

business.

Hmm.

And

and

that's

the

nice

thing

is

that

there's

a

lot

of

diversification.

There's

a

lot

more

options

and

that's,

never

going

to

be

a

bad

thing.

you

know

in

ah

In

a

competitive

marketplace,

it

it

favors

the

employees.

right

Yeah.

So

um

yeah,

nothing

nothing

but

good

things.

Any

other

current

product

stuff?

For

sure.

I

can't

remember.

All

I

don't

know.

I

probably

got

my

fill

for

for

this

one.

Yeah,

I'm

not

like,

I

mean,

it

was

a

good

one.

I

mean,

was

a

good

talk,

so

we

can

move

it

forward

if

you're

if

you're

cool

with

that.

yeah

let's

get

down

to

the

rewind.

Was

that

like

a

sound

effect?

No,

that

was

just

my

thing

falling.

Oh,

it

sounded

like

ah

almost

like

a

drum

like

a

drum

machine.

boom

i

was

like,

all

right,

let's

get

down

to

the

rewind.

I

wish.

Okay.

So

today

we're

talking

about

Clash

of

the

Champions

3,

which

was

titled

Fall

Brawl,

September

7,

1988

in

Albany,

Georgia,

to

an

attendance

of

3,700.

three

thousand

seven

hundred

It

was

ah

kind

of

short.

It

was

on

TV.

It

was

two

hours

long,

six

matches.

In

the

commentary

booth,

we

had

Jim

Ross

and

Bob

Caudell,

a

very

classic

sports

sort

of

believable

commentary

team.

um

Good

old

Shivani

was

back

there

doing

backstage

interviews

and

updates,

but

wasn't

on

the

play-by-play,

which

I

think

is

probably

the

best

spot

for

him.

and

yep

he

was

up

there

with

flair

um

but

yeah

Yeah,

with

Flair.

And

we

get

the

cool

80s

music

intro.

I

just

love

the

whole

way

it

starts

off.

i

do

like

yeah

i

do

like

that

with

all

the

belts

and

everything

Yeah.

Yeah,

and

they

say,

oh,

yeah,

the

belts

look

so

good.

And

they

say,

it'll

be

a

brawl,

a

fall

brawl,

which

it

may

be

the

first

time

they

used

fall

brawl,

right?

Because

that

became

its

own

pay-per-view

later.

Yeah,

it

was

a

WCW

thing.

Yeah.

What

was

the

<unk>s

i

desire?

Right?

They

kept

desire

to

become

a

champion

or

whatever.

Yeah.

Yeah,

it's

very,

very

hokey,

but

and

ah

in

a

fantastic

way.

um

Yeah,

we

open

with

Shivani

and

Flair,

and

Flair's

pretty

controlled.

There's

two

Rick

Flairs.

Yeah.

There's

the

the

serious,

like,

yeah,

that's

as

the

night

goes

on.

Flare

in

the

beginning

and

then

the

flare

at

the

end.

Yeah,

yeah.

Yeah,

he

gets

more

and

more

angry.

Slobbering,

vein-busting

Flair,

and

then

just

kind

of

reasonable

guy

who

wants

to

talk

about

some

sports.

Yeah.

He

hadn't

taken

his

bump

yet.

Yeah,

it's

got

to

be

what

it

was.

And

then

we

get

into...

I

got

say

this,

was

amazing.

Go

ahead.

this

crowd

of

less

than

four

thousand

people

was

fucking

bananas

dude

they

were

so

loud

and

like

the

like

the

hands

and

the

clapping

i

mean

i

i

it's

so

crazy

to

me

when

i

watch

this

stuff

and

i'm

like

man

these

3

700

people

in

albany

georgia

are

hotter

than

like

a

crowd

of

15

000

in

fucking

kansas

city

missouri

yeah

today

it's

like

it's

nuts

It

was.

Whelan.

yeah

it's

nuts

it's

awesome

it's

not

i

mean

you

can't

get

that

especially

even

here

in

los

angeles

you

don't

get

shit

when

when

it

comes

to

like

hot

crowds

you

you

you

cheer

something

you

feel

like

you

stand

out

sometimes

it's

weird

i

wish

it

was

as

rowdy

as

it

looked

back

then

um

dude

i

saw

i

was

watching

uh

a

nitro

from

like

the

90s

and

uh

what's

that

guy's

name

uh

Yeah.

huh.

The

giant,

I

guess

they

were

calling

him.

Mm-hmm.

Paul

White.

Yeah.

Paul,

ah

yeah,

he

he

walked

up

to

the

the

mar

ring

with

a

cigarette,

just

lit,

smoking

a

cigarette.

I

think

I

remember

in

his

jeans

and

his

NWO

shirt,

probably.

and

I

don't

care

if

you're

a

performer

now.

like

There's

no

way

you

could

smoke

indoors

with

somebody

sitting

No

way.

Yeah.

was

like,

I

kind

of

like

that,

Ron.

is

but

this

is

i'll

go

I'll

go

back

to

this

this

for

fall

bra

from

the

80s.

The

first

match

was

the

NWA

World

Television

Championship.

One

of

the

prettiest

belts,

I

think.

Yeah,

I

liked

it.

Um,

this

era

of

it,

um,

Brad

Armstrong

with,

uh,

Dr.

Death,

Steve

Williams

by

his

side

versus

Mike

Rotunda,

who

was

the

champion.

And

he

had

Mike

Sullivan

by

his

side.

Mike

Rotunda's,

uh,

what'd

I

say?

Kevin

Sullivan.

You

said

Mike

Sullivan.

Oh,

Kevin

Sullivan.

um

Yeah.

um

Mike

Rotunda

is,

of

course,

later

known

as

IRS.

That's

kind

of

what

I

know

I'm

from.

but

um

And

Armstrong,

Brad

Armstrong,

is

the

brother

of

Road

Dog.

Oh,

that's

right.

um

know.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah,

yeah,

yeah.

So,

um

I

was...

I

like

this

match,

man.

um

Rotunda,

i

feel

like

maybe

it's

just

because

i

i

he

was

such

an

annoying

heel

as

IRS,

but...

He

was...

I

felt

like

enjoyed

his

wrestling

in

this

a

lot

more

than

any

of

the

IRS

stuff

that

we've

watched.

Maybe

it

was

just

because

his

character

was

like,

I'm

a

wrestler

from

Syracuse.

And

he

was

very

much

like

a

tactician

in

certain

moments

where

as

IRS,

he

was

just

being

a

shit

heel,

you

know,

like

Yeah.

Yeah.

And

he

made

it

to

WWE.

They

still

had

him

as

Mike

Rotunda,

right?

WrestleMania

one.

for

a

little

while.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I

mean,

I,

yeah,

this

looked

good.

Like

technical

wrestling

and

everything

felt

real.

Take

downs,

headlocks.

Um,

Crowd

was

like

so,

so

behind

Brad

Armstrong.

Like

every

time

he

got

a

move

in

or

something

happened

in

his

favor,

Crowd

lost

their

shit,

man.

Yeah.

Dude,

I

wish...

When

I

was

watching

this,

I

was

like,

this

is

kind

of

what

I

think

some

people

wished

AEW

was

going

to

be

like

all

the

time.

Or...

you

know

i

mean,

this

whole

thing

wasn't

all

like

really

sports-based

competition

as

much

as

this

one

was.

Mm-hmm.

But

like...

I'm

like,

this

is

cool.

Like

if

there

was

a

modern

promotion

that

just

kind

of

made

it

look

like

these

are

two

wrestlers

and

they

they're

in

it

like

wrestle

realistic

shit.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

I

don't

know.

I

wish

there

was

something

I

could

watch

where

it

was

always

kind

of

like

this.

Like,

I

just

really

like

that.

It

was

a

nice

blend

of

of

what

i

what

I

assume

are

traditional

amateur

wrestling

moves

and

holds

mixed

in

with

the

normal

pro

wrestling

stuff,

the

punches,

the

kicks,

the

suplexes,

and

all

that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But...

um

fun

match

and,

um,

was

a

little

surprised

that

it

went

to

the

full

20

minutes.

Uh,

it

was

a

time

limit

draw.

And

what,

what

shocked

me

the

most

about

it

was

like

how

excited

the

crowd

was

at

a

draw

where

Brad

Armstrong

does

not

win

the

belt

because

I,

you

know,

Jr

was

like,

well,

Yeah.

You

said

he

won.

He

was

like,

he

went

the

distance

with

the

champion.

And

like

the

crowd

was

behind

him.

So

I

don't

know

if

that

had

been

part

of

the

story

leading

up

to

it

in

the

promos

where

maybe

Rotunda

was

like,

you'll

never

be

able

to,

to

last

a

full

match

with

me

or

something.

But

that

definitely

added

to

like

the

sports

based

element

as

well.

um

So

yeah,

fun,

fun

opening

match.

They

were

really

selling

that

20

minute

time

limit.

I

was

kind

of

starting

to

wonder,

like,

there's

been

a

lot

of

mentions

of

this,

like,

is

that

where

it's

going

to

go?

Yeah.

But

it's

kind

of

a

cool

thing

to

do

because

you

can

have

the

other,

you

can

have

the

the

challenger

win,

but

you

don't

have

to

take

the

belt

off

the

guy.

So

it's

kind

of

like

a

win-win.

um

So,

I

mean,

I

didn't

really

mind

how

they

did

it,

but

you

know,

they

they

sold

it

as

a

victory

for

for

brad

armstrong

like

they

kept

talking

about

this

kid

has

a

lot

of

heart

and

stuff

so

i

guess

they

were

kind

of

developing

him

and

dude

yeah

those

girls

screaming

when

he

won

were

it

was

like

beetle

mania

i

was

like

what

the

fuck

i

mean

and

they're

like

everyone's

wearing

white

t-shirts

i'm

not

really

sure

what

was

up

with

that

either

it's

like

three

thousand

four

thousand

people

in

white

t-shirts

screaming

Yeah.

Yeah.

Crazy.

don't

know.

It's,

um

you

know,

the

this

was

another

one

where

I

felt

like

I

was

constantly

being

reminded

of

how

much

time

was

left.

And

again,

I

felt

like

really

played

into

the

sports-based

presentation.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It

was

aiding

that

because,

you

know,

it

was

like,

oh

okay.

yeah

Yeah.

A

few

minutes

left.

You

know,

i

think,

think

that

might've

even

happened

in

the

next

match

too,

um

which

was

the

tag

match.

Oh,

dude,

I

wanted,

oh,

before

you

get

into

that,

I

just

wanted

to

say

like

that

Claudio

Castagnoli's

like

European

uppercuts

that

just

look

so

fucking

fake

with

like

four

feet

of

daylight

between

his

arm

and

the

other

guy's

chin.

Yeah.

I

thought

that

that

move

just

has

to

look

that

shitty.

But

like

when

I

saw

Mike

Rotunda

do

the

European

uppercut,

I

was

like,

damn,

that

looked

like

he

just

fucking

knocked

the

guy

out.

Like

that

was,

that

was

cool.

yeah

So

I

just,

I

don't

know,

just,

just

an

observation

as

a

fan.

For

sure.

Yeah.

That,

you

know,

it's

funny

because

like

Claudio

didn't,

they

didn't

always

look

like

that.

I

feel

like

I've

seen

Cesaro

NXT

matches

where

he's

laying

shit

in,

you

know,

like

you

just,

I

don't

know,

lack

of

consistency,

maybe

something.

Oh

yeah.

um

don't

know

what

happened.

Yeah.

Okay.

Sorry.

I

didn't

mean

to

cut

you

off

for

the

next

one.

No,

you're

good.

Go

ahead.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So

yeah,

the

second

match

was

a

a

tag

match.

It

was

Dr.

Death,

Steve

Williams

with

Nikita

Koloff,

the

babyface

team

against

the

Sheep

Herders.

ah

First

thing

I'll

say

about

this

is

I

was

like,

wait,

Nikita

Koloff

is

like

wearing

a

Russian,

you

know,

unitard.

It's

1988.

How

is

he

being...

cheered

And

then

I

proceeded

to

Google

it.

And

um

I

don't

know

if

you've

ever

seen

this

because

I

hadn't.

ah

It

might

have

been

a

year

or

two

prior.

There

was

Dusty

Rhodes

was

having

like

a

cage

match.

And

I

can't

remember

some

somebody

was

supposed

to

be

like

on

Dusty's

side.

Maybe

it

was

Magnum

TA.

don't

know.

But

whoever

it

was

that

was

sort

of

aligned

with

Dusty

was

no

longer

with

the

company.

I

wonder

if

Magnum

TA

had

already

passed

away

by

this

point.

But

regardless,

I

found

this

clip

where

Dusty

is

getting

in

the

cage

and

you

see

Nikita

Koloff

like

maybe

20,

30

feet

behind

him

coming

through

the

crowd.

And

the

crowd's

like...

bubbling,

bubbling.

They're

like,

oh

my

God,

what's

what's

going

on?

And

Koloff

gets

in

the

cage

and

he

like

sort

of

looks

around

for

a

few

seconds

and

he

starts

walking

towards

where

the

action's

happening.

And

it

looks

like

maybe

you'll

hit

Dusty,

but

he

hits

the

other

guy

and

the

crowd...

loses

their

mind.

It

was

like

one

of

the

loudest

pops

I

think

I've

ever

heard.

um

Really?

Period.

So

that

was

apparently

that

was

how

Nikita

became

a

baby

face.

And

yeah,

that

you

could

tell

that

he

was

over

with

the

crowd

because

him

and

and

Dr.

Death

were

getting

huge

reactions

every

time

they

would

they

would

get

a

hot

tag

or

whatever.

um

I

will

mention

that

the

Sheep

Herders,

as

you

met

as

you

said

before,

are

the

Bushwhackers

from

WWF,

and

we

just

saw

them

in

that

SummerSlam.

They

had

like

a

backstage

promo

where

they

were

doing

their

arms

swinging

nonsense,

and

they

were

pretty

much

the

same

here,

but

a

little

less

arm

swinging

coked-out-ness.

Yeah.

Yeah.

yeah

They

still

looked

kind

of

speedy,

but...

They

had

had

Rip

Morgan

with

them,

which

I

never

saw

that

guy

in

WWE,

but

he

was

just

kind

of

a

flag-waving...

Yeah.

The

flag-waving

Kiwi.

Yeah.

rip

Rip

is

such

a

a

great

name.

it's

It's

just

kind

of

a

dubious

name.

I

used

to

have

an

uncle

growing

up

who's

like

a

metalhead

named

Rip.

couldn't

rip.

And

be

like,

oh,

Rip's

going

to

be

there.

I'd

always

kind

of

like

be

like,

oh,

fuck,

that's

scary.

Oh,

shit.

Oh,

there

was

USA

chance

and

like

no

one

in

this

match.

Oh,

man.

Yeah.

the

Oh,

I

guess

Dr.

Death,

Steve

Williams

is

American.

Mm-hmm.

But

I

mean,

you

got

like

a

Russian

guy

versus

some

Australians

and

they're

chanting

USA,

which

wrestling

fans

love

to

do.

If

it's

a

Japanese

guy

versus

a

Canadian,

we've

seen

it

where

they

yell

USA.

Yeah.

you

You

know,

Dr.

Death,

so

popular.

And

and

do

you

you

know

what

like

would

basically

tanked

Dr.

Death's

career?

Do

you

remember?

No.

you

remember

the

brawl

for

all?

Oh

yeah.

Oh

yeah.

he

got

knocked

out

by

Bart

gun

in

like

a

minute

and

his

entire

career

ended

because

he

was

such

a

tough

guy.

That's

where.

Like

that

was

his

whole

shtick.

He

was

this

big

ex

football

player

and

then

he

got

his

shit

rocked

and

got

knocked

out

cold.

And

then

you

never

saw

Dr.

Death

again.

Like

feel

pretty

bad.

Oh

my

God.

It

took,

it

took

all

of

his

steam,

huh?

Yeah.

Yeah.

That

broth

roll

was

a

terrible

idea.

And

I

know.

I

love

how

in

the

fucking

Dark

Side

of

the

Ring

episode,

everyone

was

like

fighting.

I

mean,

no

it

was

my

idea.

No,

it

was

my

idea.

um

but

God.

um

Yeah,

this

was,

I

mean,

this

isn't

my

favorite

match

of

the

night,

even

though

it

was

fine.

I

just...

It

was

fine.

ah

It

was

17

minutes.

You

know,

sheep

herders

were

okay,

serviceable.

I

mean,

it

was

interesting

to

hear

that

they

had

been

already

wrestling

for

10

years

and

apparently

had

been

touring

the

world.

i

I

guess

that

makes

sense.

You

know,

they're

heels

and

they

were

certainly

serviceable.

They

didn't

botch

anything,

but

like

they

were

the

kind

of

guys

that

they

were

just

like,

let's

just

do

like

arms

and

chest

every

day

and

never

worry

about

abs

or

legs.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I

see

those

guys.

Yeah,

fat

guy.

Workouts

where

you

can

sit

down

and

do

them.

They're

just

like

fatties,

fatties

with

muscular

arms.

Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Yep.

um

Yeah,

I

mean,

Kolov

hit

the

Russian

sickle

for

the

pin.

So

him

and

Steve

Williams

won

that

one.

I

like

that.

had

kind

of

a

weird

line

in

that

one.

What

are

you

going

to

when

someone

jams

a

flagpole

in

your

kidney?

You're

going

to

go

after

them.

That's

what

Dr.

Yep.

Death

did.

was

like,

thanks

for

explaining

that

to

me.

Cool.

What

are

going

to

do

when

someone

jams

a

flagpole

into

your

kidney?

you're

gonna

go

after

him

yeah

um

there

were

some

promo

segments

like

before

this

match

uh

uh

what

kind

of

establishing

what's

going

to

happen

later

flair

put

over

lex

luger

kind

of

hard

um

and

uh

That's

funny.

Yeah.

Yep.

Everyone's,

you

know,

no

one's

selling

us

behind

the

curtain

or

winking

at

us.

Like,

I

don't

know.

I

guess

I'm

just

into

the

reality

of

this

whole

thing.

You

know,

it

feels.

Yeah,

no

there

was

there

was

an

air

of

legitimacy

um

the

way

that

Flair

was

talking

for

the

majority

of

the

time

they

went

back

to

that

desk

with

him

and

Shivani.

Yeah.

He

was

very

calm

and

very

straight-laced.

And

yeah,

speaking

about

it,

you

know

Lex

Luger

is

one

of

the

best

wrestlers

in

our

sport

and

blah,

blah,

blah,

bla

blah.

And

you

know

yeah,

they...

Yeah.

they

definitely

were

leaning

into

that.

Like,

you

know,

this

is

legit.

And

and

then

I

feel

like

that's

what

NWA

did

a

lot

of

the

time.

And

then

very

early

WCW

did.

But

as

soon

as

we

started

getting

the

sports

entertainment

D

stuff

from

both

sides

of

the

fence

that

sort

of

fell

by

the

wayside,

um

Yes.

there

were

There

was

a

weird

ah

segment

somewhere

in

there

too

um

after

to

the

first

match

where

Kevin

Sullivan

was

in

his

wife's

fluffy

robe

and

he

was

bent

over

beating

Jimmy

Garvin

outside

of

the

ring.

And

it

was

just

like

mostly,

it

was

starting

to

look

like

like

found

footage

of

the

fight.

Oh

yeah.

It

was

like

mostly

just

Sting's

ass

like

bent

over

helping

Jimmy

Garvin

and

Sting's

like

wasn't

that

Wasn't

that

where

where

Sullivan

like

he

took

cinder

blocks

and

slammed

them

onto

Garvin's

leg

and

then

he

was,

yeah,

oh

my

leg

armor,

it's

broken.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So

there

was...

ah

He

was

like

howling.

so

Yeah,

that

was

more

sport

of

sports

entertainment

style,

but...

I

guess

so,

but

you

know,

so

I

i

didn't

what

i

didn't

watch

ah

any

of

the

Kevin

Sullivan

stuff

before

this.

do

you

know

about

like

Kevin

Sullivan

and

the

whole

like

satanic

panic

and

how

that

all

got...

Yeah.

like

When

that

was

happening

in

the

eighty

s

I

don't

know.

people

were,

people

were

losing,

you

know,

for

those

that

don't

know,

in

the

early

eighties,

uh,

the

right

after

the

string

of

all

these

crazy

serial

killers,

the

John

Wayne

Gacy's

and

the

Richard

Ramirez

is,

and

all

that

stuff,

people

started

getting

really,

really

scared

that

there

was

Satanism

and

devil

worshipers.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And,

you

know,

I

think

the

Jim

Jones,

Jonestown

thing

was

probably

around

that

same

time

too.

Yeah.

Even

though

it's

like

mostly

Christians

that

do

this

crazy

shit,

but

yes.

So,

Yeah.

Yes,

it

was

clearly

in

in

hindsight

blown

way

the

fuck

out

of

proportion.

it

was

almost

yeah

arguably

as

bad

as

the

fucking

Salem

witch

trials.

Yeah.

These

people

fucking

morons

thinking

that

these

people

are,

you

know,

in

league

with

the

devil

and

blah,

blah.

But

anyway,

Kevin

Sullivan

in

the

early

eighty

s

took

advantage

of

all

of

this

hysteria

and

he

had,

uh,

I

forget

what

the

name

of

the

group

is

and

I

should

probably

look

it

up

because

people

will

be

mad

at

me

for

not

knowing

it.

But

he

had

a

group

of

people

that,

uh,

they

basically

were,

were

pretending

to

be

devil

worshipers

and,

um,

he

did

some

of

the

craziest

at

the

time,

some

of

the

craziest,

scariest

stuff

where

people

legitimately

thought

that

this

guy

was

like,

had

a

harem

and,

you

know,

was

worshiping

the

devil.

He

would

speak

in

weird

riddles

and

code

and

he

would

like

hang

people

and

do

all

kinds

of

crazy

shit.

I

think

the

people

in

his

group,

one

of

the

people

in

his

group

was

um

Nancy

Benoit,

his

ex-wife,

Kevin

Sullivan's

ex-wife.

And,

It

was

like

a

big

deal.

I

mean,

people

talk

about

it

as

if

it

was

like

the

best

gimmick

in

wrestling

ever,

because

at

the

time

you

didn't

know

what

was

real

and

what

wasn't.

The

task

mask.

Yeah.

The

taskmaster.

Yeah.

And

so

like,

you

know,

you'd

be,

you

would

almost

be

scared

of

your

parents

walking

in

and,

and

you

and

finding

you

watching

Kevin

Sullivan

because,

know,

Yeah.

He

was

so

dark.

He

was

ah

the

the

Prince

of

Darkness

gimmick.

Yeah,

he

was,

you

know,

a

cult

leader.

Yeah.

That's

And

by

this

point,

it

had

already

sort

of

dissipated

and

it

it

wasn't

really

as

much

of

a

big

deal

anymore.

But

he

was

still

like

a

pretty

insidious

heel.

that's

great

i

All

of

that

all

that

stuff

that

we

saw,

all

those

packages

set

up

our

third

match,

which

was

Dusty

Rhodes

against

Kevin

Sullivan.

And

got

to

say,

I

mean,

i

I

love

seeing

Dusty.

Crowd

loves

Dusty.

um

This

match

was

dumb

and

had

one

of

the

worst

finishes

I

think

I've

ever

seen

because

this

was,

in

my

view,

just

a

normal

singles

match.

i

had

There

was

no

indication

that

it

was

like

a

no

DQ

match

or

or

anything

like

that.

Oh,

right.

Yeah.

And

this

was

where

I

think,

yeah,

Gary

Hart,

like,

didn't

he,

I

don't

i

gave

he

gave,

like

hit

Dusty

with

a

foreign

object

There

was

big

problems

with

this

match.

Yeah.

And

the

ref

clearly

saw

it.

Gary

Hart

got

dragged

into

the

ring

and

started

doing

stuff.

And

I'm

like,

why

are

you

not

disqualifying

Kevin

Sullivan?

And

then

i

think,

uh,

Gary,

uh,

Gary

Hart

interfered

with

the

shoe,

right?

Yes,

that's

what

it

was.

He

interfered

with

the

shoe.

Yeah.

Kevin

Sullivan,

like

in

a

a

couple

minutes

prior,

had

pulled

out

his

famous

spike

that

he

used

to

spike

people

with

it

when

he

was

doing

the

Prince

of

Darkness

thing.

and

And

yeah,

he

got

hit

with

the

shoe.

And

I'm

like,

the

ref

saw

that.

What

the

hell

is

going

on

here?

And

then

I

think

Dusty

got

the

spike.

He

hit

Kevin

Sullivan

with

it.

And

then

he

pinned

Gary

Hart

and

the

ref

counted

the

pin.

and

that

And

that

was

how

Dusty

won.

Yeah.

I

was

like,

what

the

hell

is

this?

He,

I've

never

seen

anyone

pin

someone

that

wasn't

in

the

fucking

match.

And

it

made

me

wonder,

like,

did

Dusty

put

this

together?

Yeah.

Because

I

know

he's

had

some

great

ideas,

but

he

also

got

some

crazy

shit.

And

sometimes

he

comes

up

with

ideas

while

he's

like,

what,

right.

While

he

was

like

on

acid

and

stuff.

Right.

So,

I

mean,

I've

heard

stories

about

like,

Dusty

said

this

on

acid.

I

never

knew

that.

And

so,

so

I'm

just

wondering

if,

you

know,

ah

yeah

everybody

hit

you

Hit

me

with

his

shoe,

if

you

will.

Yeah,

it

was

weird.

I

mean,

I

think

theverse

there

were

some

cool

things

about

it.

just

there

wasn't

even

enough

tim

yeah

but

there

wasn't

even

enough

time

to

get

into

it

it

was

like

7

minutes

long

I

was

just

like

okay

come

on

Dusty

what

are

we

you

know

what

are

we

do

there's

no

flow

it

just

the

bionic

elbows

are

great

i

i

like

I

like

to

see

Dusty's

elbows.

They

look

also...

maybe

it's

a

great

Maybe

it's

the

grittiness

of

the

cameras

back

then.

and

you

just

don't

see

everything

as

clear.

But

man,

it

just

looks

so

good.

It

looks

like,

a

like

again,

a

legitimate

move.

mmhmm

um

you

know

And

you

can

see

some

of

the

stuff.

The

way

he

like

shakes

his

head

and

like

pulls

his

head

back.

he

had

kind

of,

um,

you

could

see

where

Cody

gets

some

of

that

shit.

Yeah,

he

had

a

ton

of

charisma.

And

sometimes

where

he,

sometimes

they

do

like

the

same

moves

and

like

some,

some

of

the

moves

that

Dustin,

Dusty

and

Cody

do

when

they

come

out

and

the

way

they

shake

their

heads

and

their

mannerisms

are

exactly

the

same.

I

know

some

of

them,

they

probably

copy

off

each

other.

Yeah.

that's

intentional,

but

some

of

it's

just

the

blood,

you

know,

in

the

blood.

Um,

so,

I

mean,

I

hadn't

seen

Dusty

in

a

while.

I

don't

know

if

we've

seen

him

in,

uh,

grapple

city

rewind.

We

have

not

seen

and

Dusty

in

anything

yet.

So

I

was

excited

to

see

Dusty.

I

mean,

and

I

was

i

was

excited

to

see

these

two

guys

go

at

it,

but

it

like

it

was

a

seven

minute

nothing

kind

of

match.

But

and

um

also

Dusty

made

Kevin

Sullivan

and

look

kind

of

small,

you

know?

Yeah.

He

did.

Yeah.

I

mean,

Dusty's

a,

Dusty's

a

big

dude.

know

but

He's

big

and

he's

tall.

And,

but

Kevin

and

Kevin's,

I

mean,

Kevin

Sullivan

to

me

is

like

the

definition

of

a

fucking

meatball.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Like

just

his

thighs

are

like

tree

trunks,

man.

Yeah.

yeah

yeah

Like

that

guy

was,

you

could

roll

them

up

into

a

ball

and

throw

them

down

a

bowling

lane,

man.

that's

i

mean

That's

good,

for

especially

for

amateur

wrestling,

you

know

all

that

that

low

center

of

gravity.

Yeah.

um

and

We

got

an

interview

segment

with

ah

ah

i

guess

an

American

footballer

called

John

Ayers.

He

was

ah

apparently

a

big

NFL

49er.

He's

going

to

be

a

special

ref.

He

seemed...

I

mean,

could

it

just

been

his

personality?

This

fucking

guy

seemed

terrified,

confused,

and

nervous.

Just

nothing

going

on.

Yeah.

It

seemed

like

he

was

choking

ah

when

he

was

on

TV.

I

mean,

choking

like

like

he

fucked

it

up

and

forgot

what

he

was

supposed

to

say.

Yeah.

Oh

yeah,

no,

100%.

He

couldn't

string

his

words

together.

um

Flair,

it

was

weird.

a

Flair

asked

him

what

kind

qualifies

him

to

be

a

ref,

and

Ayers

has

no

answer.

It's

a

terrible

app.

Well,

i

I'm

familiar

with

with

professional

wrestling,

and

I

was

like

the

stiffest.

Flair

just

like...

He's

going

to

be

the

special

ref

against

for

Luger

and

Flair

at

some

point

in

the

future,

I

think

is

what

it

was.

Yeah.

Which

was

also

super

confusing

because

I

thought

that

meant

that

this

was

going

to

happen

on

this

show.

And

by

the

time

I

got

to

the

end,

I

was

like,

the

fuck?

It

did

not.

Where's

where's

the

Flair

Luger

thing?

I

was

looking

forward

to

that,

you

know?

It's

probably

next

to

Saturday

6.05

on

their

television

show

to

get

you

to

watch.

Yeah,

I

mean,

that

was

weird.

I

feel

like

a

television

special

shouldn't.

I

mean,

I

know

you

can

talk

about

what's

next,

but

you

should

kind

of

make

that

the

event,

not

talk

not

push

people

off

to

another

thing.

Yeah.

Yeah.

but

You

know

what

I

noticed?

ah

And

this

is

just

like

a

very

casual

television

observation

thing.

um

All

the

commercial

breaks

were

in

between

the

matches.

That

was

so

nice.

You

know,

like

I

get,

I

think

I

understand

why

they

don't

do

that

now

because

they

want

to

make

more

money

and

they

want

to

show

more

ads

in

today's

world.

Yeah.

Oh,

yeah.

But

Very,

very

refreshing

because

to

me,

ah

having

commercials

in

the

middle

of

matches

really

like

breaks

up

the

flow

for

me

in

a

way

that

I

almost

don't

even

care

about

the

match

as

much

anymore

because

like

to

me,

ah

wrestling

match

is

it

is

its

best.

pure

like

Any

wrestling

match

is

better

when

you

have

your

full

attention

on

it

and

when

you

never

break

your

attention

and

you

see

it

all

the

way

through

without

interruptions.

I

agree.

I

think

if

you

put

an

ad

on

Spotify

or

something,

you're

going

to

do

it

between

songs.

Mm-hmm.

And

if

you

do

put

an

ad

on

wrestling,

you

should

do

it

between

matches.

You

have

plenty

of

time

between

matches.

um

it's

It's

almost

inexcusable.

I

mean,

that's

why

i

use

ah

VPN

to

watch

programming

from

a

different

country.

If

I

need

to

pay

ah

subscription

um,

Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

um

AEW,

you

know,

through

the

UK,

then

I

do

that

because

then

you

don't

see

the

commercials

in

the

middle

and

even

WWE,

w

you

can

do

a

VPN

and

watch

like

on

Netflix.

Yeah,

much

better

viewing

experience.

Um,

even

Even

though

they

still

technically

like

fade

to

black

and

come

back,

it's

still

much

better

to

to

like

have

it

be

as

uninterrupted

as

possible.

yeah.

And

again,

i

understand

it's

a

business.

we're

trying

We're

all

trying

to

make

money,

but

like

at

what

point

do

you

sacrifice

the

quality

of

your

product

for

making

money?

My

personal

opinion,

i

would

rather

have

the

product

be

better

10

times

out

of

10.

But

then

again,

i

don't

work

for

the

business

and

I

don't

care

what

their

profits

are,

so...

Yeah,

I

feel

the

same.

I

mean,

i

i

really

just...

I

mean,

like

i

mean

I'm

not

going

to

watch

a

match

unless

it's

all

the

way

through.

your

But

i'm

um

I'm

kind

of

bitter

on

like

TV

wrestling

mostly

anyways.

If

you're

going

to

show

me

a

match,

I'll

kind

of

fast

forward.

I'll

watch

like

the

intro

and

I'll

fast

forward

to

the

matches

I

want.

And

then

if

you

go

to

commercial,

I'll

probably

just

pick

up

my

guitar

and

not

be

paying

attention

anymore.

yeah

But

pay-per-views

still

have

that...

you

know,

that

full

experience.

So

I

guess

that's

what

it's

really

about

anyways.

Oh,

that's

what

I

was

going

with

current

product,

we

forgot

to

talk

about

was

if

about

like

WWE

is

going

to

ESPN,

which

we

could

talk

about

on

another

day,

but

um

Oh

yeah,

let's

get

to

that.

well

Maybe

we'll

do

that

at

the

end

here

because

we've

only

got

two

more

matches

left.

yeah.

Cool.

So

um

match

five

was

the

NWA

United

States

championship.

Barry

Windham,

who

was

the

champion

versus

Sting.

I

think

we

missed

one.

Oh,

sorry.

Match

four

was...

Ricky

Morton

versus

Ivan

Koloff

in

the

Russian

chain

match.

Yeah,

that

was

a

fun

one.

Yeah,

nice

to

see

Ricky

Morton

by

himself.

I

keep

hearing

such

high

praise

of

Ricky

Morton

from

Ric

Flair.

Whenever

Ric

Flair

is

on

Busted

Open,

he's

always

like,

Ricky

Morton

is

the

best.

Oh,

really?

And

I

was

like,

man,

I

just

i

always

think

of

Ricky

Morton

as

as

being

part

of

the

tag

team

that

he

was

you

know

in

the

Rock

and

Roll

Express.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And

so

I

enjoyed

getting

to

see

him

by

himself.

Fun

match.

yeah

um

i

don't

know

if

that

was

a

real

chain.

it

kind

of

didn't

sound

like

it

was,

but

if

it

was,

man,

they

were

beating

the

shit

out

of

each

other

with

that

chain.

Yeah,

it

was

a

rough

match.

And

with

a

chain

match,

it's

kind

of

like

a

strap

match.

Same

idea.

You

got

to

touch

all

four

corners

while

chained

to

your

opponent.

Mm-hmm.

ah

No

disqualification.

the

shit

out

of

each

other

with

the

chain.

And

they

did

a

lot

of

that

stuff.

micy

Ricky

Morton's

entrance

was

cool.

He's

got

the

blonde

mullets,

very

like

bird-like

looking.

He

still

has

it.

Yeah.

and

He's

still

a

wrestler.

He's

he's

got

it.

Got

a

David

Lee

Roth

shirt

on.

Yeah.

70-ish.

That

was

pretty

funny.

Yeah,

yeah,

David

Lee

Ross.

He's

got

to

be

like,

what,

70-ish?

He's

wrestling

still?

Ricky

Morton?

Yeah,

he's,

how

old

is

he?

Yeah,

hes

gone

he's

got

a

match.

68.

Oh

Oh,

68.

He's

got

a

match

August

31st

out

there

in

Fort

Lauderdale

at

Summer

Smash,

an

indie

show.

And

he's

always

in

the

indies.

I've

seen

him.

He

was

in

the

Senior

Scramble

at

GCW

one

time.

my

God.

Yeah.

Yeah.

um

yeah

he's

i

think

he's

got

a

son

that

uh

comes

out

and

saves

them

or

tags

with

them

like

you

can

kind

of

not

make

him

do

as

much

because

he's

older

um

and

but

yeah

oh

yeah

i

think

he

was

yeah

the

I

remember

I

saw

it

wasn't

he

at

an

AEW

thing

a

while

back

or

maybe

it

was

the

first

all

in

or

something

I

don't

remember

but

yeah

he

came

out

I

think

they

both

came

out

ah

both

of

the

Rock

and

Roll

Express

oh

i

think

they

had

i

don't

think

it

was

that

long

ago

when

the

rock

and

roll

express

they

were

like

out

with

FTR

and

like

they

did

some

crit

like

I'm

pretty

sure

Ricky

Morton

did

like

a

fucking

Canadian

destroyer

or

something

I

think

I

could

be

wrong,

but

I

think

some

heels

beat

the

shit

out

of

the

Rock

and

Roll

Express,

right?

Or

to

get

some

heat

or

something

in

that

segment.

But

yeah,

they've

been

they've

been

on

AEW

and

they

and

they

still

do

like

action

figures

and

stuff

through

Jim

Cornette.

I

think

so.

Yeah.

So

I

think

I

do

remember

being

like,

oh,

it's

funny

that

Jim

Cornette

talks

so

much

shit

on

like

AEW

and

stuff,

but

his

buddies

or

his

best

buds

are

there

without

him,

you

know,

like,

because

you

never

see

him

go

out

to

shows

anymore.

Yeah.

Yeah.

um

Crowd

was

on

their

on

their

fucking

feet

for

this

one.

Again,

yeah,

we

didn't

mention

it

too

much,

but

like,

I

mean,

the

crowd

was

electric

the

entire

time.

And

granted,

it

was

only

two

hours

worth

of

wrestling,

but

like,

man,

oh

man,

I

just

couldn't

believe

the

noise

that

they

were

constantly

emitting.

Yeah.

Like,

insane.

Yeah.

Where

are

these

crowds?

um

Where

are

these

people

today?

Everyone

just

sits

with

their

thumb

up

their

asses.

It

was

I

know.

It

was

an

eight

minute

match.

Ricky

Morton

won

faster

than

I

expected.

And

then

afterwards,

the

Russian

assassin

attacks

Morton,

then

turns

on

Kolov.

Yes,

and

the

second

one,

there

were

two

Russian

assassins.

And

then

and

the

second

one

joins

in.

i

think

from

then

on,

there

was

Russian

assassins

who

were

a

tag

team,

assassin

one

and

assassin

two.

Yeah,

uh-huh.

Um,

so

there

was

a

lot

of

like

kind

of

aftermath

situation

happening

there.

And

then

we

went

back

to

John

Ayers

again,

which

is

super

awkward.

And

what

the

fuck?

He's

not

even

gonna

referee

anything

on

this.

Yeah,

he's

just,

it's

it's

funny.

Like

what

is

happening?

Yeah.

I

guess

maybe

he

was

well-known

back

in

the

day.

I

don't,

it

didn't

really

do

anything

for

me

though.

know.

I

mean,

and

you

got

a

49er

and

they're

in

Georgia,

right?

So

i

don't

know.

Shouldn't

there

be

like

a,

I

mean,

what's

what's

their

team

called?

The

Falcons?

A

falcon?

Yeah.

Yeah.

um

I

feel

really

weird

that

I

know

that.

I

didn't

know

I

knew.

and

i

didn't

know

I

could

name

a

football

team

by

their

city.

I'm

proud

of

you.

um

Thanks.

So

match

five

was

the

NWA

United

States

Championship.

Which

I

think

is...

Yeah.

What

was

the

first

one?

The

television

championship.

Yeah,

there

was

no

heavyweight

or

there

is

no

World's

Heavyweight

Championship

match

because

it

Flair

was

was

the

World

Champion

at

the

time.

Okay,

so

what

we're...

We

didn't

get

a

world...

Did

we

get

a

world

heavy

championship

match

on

the

other

Clash

the

Champions?

Maybe

they

don't

do...

They

saved

the

world

championship

for

the

pay-per-view.

Maybe...

Yeah,

I

can't

it

i

can't

remember.

i

feel

Didn't

we

watch

the

Flair-Funk-I-Quit

match?

Yeah,

I

don't

know.

so

i

don't

think

that

was

No,

that

was

not

for

the

belt.

There

wasn't

a

belt.

No,

it

was

just

it

was

for

pride

and

yeah

integrity.

Yeah,

maybe

they

saved

those

for

the

pay-per-views.

kind

of

Okay,

cool.

Well,

um

yeah,

so

it

was

Barry

Windham

champion

versus

Sting

challenger.

um

Yeah,

again,

crowd

screaming

nonstop.

Borderline

annoying

at

this

point.

There

was

someone

just

going,

Ah!

Over

and

over

again,

you

can

just

hear

here

this

woman

screaming.

Yeah.

um

Everybody

loves

Sting.

It's

funny

when

you

can

hear

one

person

in

the

crowd

over

and

over.

You're

like,

dude,

fucking

pick

a

different

mic.

I'm

tired

of

hearing

her.

Yeah,

shut

up.

um

At

least

they

weren't

air

horns.

Yeah,

fuck

that

shit.

um

Good

mix

of

of

hard

hits

and

and

wrestling.

they

in

in

In

the

ring,

out

of

the

ring,

back

and

forth.

Mm-hmm.

Barry

Windham

caught

some

juice.

He

bleeding

everywhere

um

pretty

quickly,

I

believe.

um

Sting

was

only

two

years

into

his

career

at

this

point.

Wow.

um

Windham

was

eight

years

in.

He

was

called

a

veteran.

so

I

think

that's

interesting

when

when

we

talk

about...

like

wrestlers

that

we

don't

think

got

it

yet

but

they

talk

about

i'm

like

oh

they're

green

you

know

they've

only

been

in

it

for

seven

years

or

eight

years

and

i'm

like

they're

talking

back

then

they

were

calling

windham

a

vet

at

eight

years

they

did

yeah

like

every

fucking

night

right

Yeah.

Well,

that's

because

they

wrestled

like

300

times

a

year

Yeah,

I

mean,

their

schedules

were

crazy.

They

were

traveling

the

country.

Some

of

them

even

wrestled

twice

in

a

day.

I

know

Flair

talks

about

one.

There

was

a

weekend

where

he

wrestled

nine

times.

Dude,

some

of

the,

probably

more

like

Mania

Weeks,

because

they

turn

into

like

South

by

Southwest

for

wrestling.

Yeah.

Some

of

those

indie

wrestlers,

i

like

so

thell

okay

so

I

listen

to

the

wrestling

news

sometimes,

which

is

just

free

in

the

morning

like

every

day.

They

just

give

you

all

the

updates.

Mm-hmm.

And

during

WrestleMania

week,

they

talk

about

all

the

indie

shows

and

stuff.

And

a

couple

years

ago,

it

was

like,

Speedball

Mike

Bailey

prevailed

over

QT

Marshall,

and

Speedball

Mike

Bailey

prevailed

Yeah.

failed

to

accomplish

and

speedball

mc

bailey

and

i

was

like

this

fucking

guy

wrestled

seven

times

yesterday

like

this

is

nuts

and

it's

it's

shit

like

that

like

i

know

dude

and

uh

yeah

and

i've

talked

to

some

other

like

there's

like

this

guy

out

here

that

that

i

know

that's

an

indie

wrestler

and

yeah

he

just

goes

out

there

and

His

name's

not

speedball

for

nothing.

Yeah.

wrestles

as

many

fucking

shows

as

you

can

get

as

long

as

you

can

get

to

the

next

match

and

um

i

don't

know

one

of

the

years

he

hurt

himself

on

like

the

second

match

so

was

like

uh

uh

it

was

over

pretty

quickly

yeah

yeah

but

i

mean

that's

gotta

to

be

kind

of

Yeah.

move

Had

to

cancel

a

lot

of

lot

shows.

Yeah.

That's

crazy.

Two

years

into

Sting's

career.

He

was

already

pretty

fucking

good

for

only

having

two

years

under

his

belt.

He

was

good.

And

you

know,

his

pro

his

promo

stuff,

ah

I

don't

know

if

it

was

on

this

one,

but

I've

been

watching

a

lot

of

like

that

era,

AEW.

was

like,

I

mean,

it

was

it

was

maybe

better

than

it

will

ever

was

later.

Like,

I

mean,

he

was

he

was

almost

as

good

as

he

needed

to

be

like

at

the

beginning.

I

mean,

you

know?

and

yeah

Yeah,

I

mean,

he

was

just

so

popular.

And,

you

know,

Sting's

never

been

really

flashy.

Yeah.

Yeah.

He

never

had

a

ton

of

crazy

moves.

um

He

kept

it

simple,

but

he

knew

how

to

convey

the

struggle.

You

know

what

I

mean?

Yeah,

yeah,

yeah.

There

was

a

ref

bump

on

this

one.

Wyndham

uses

a

chair

on

Sting

during

the

ref

bump,

and

John

Ayers,

the

charismatic-less,

is

that

a

word?

Ha

ha.

charismatic-lessly.

Ha

ha.

Our

non-charismatic

footballer

friend

got

involved

to,

I

guess,

ref

once

the

ref

was

bumped,

right?

Charisma-less.

Yeah.

Yeah,

but

what's

funny

is

like

it

didn't

count

because

I'm

pretty

sure

at

the

end

they

were

like,

okay,

Sting

wins,

but

it's

via

disqualification.

So

he

didn't

even

win

the

belt.

Right.

Yeah,

yeah.

But

again,

the

crowd

was

like,

yeah,

he

won.

And

I'm

like,

but

he

didn't

win

the

belt.

Who

cares?

and

and

you

know

And

then

we

get

to

the

Flair

commentary

segment

where

Flair

is

now

fired

up.

He's

had

his

drugs

and

he's

screaming.

Yep.

His

face

is

purple.

drops

the

line

to

beat

the

man.

He's

yelling.

beat

the

man

to

be

the

man,

you

got

to

beat

the

man.

Nice.

Oh,

yeah.

Nice.

But

I'm

now

left.

Like,

okay,

where's

this

Flair-Lex

Luger

match?

They

hyped

it

like

it

was

tonight's

thing,

and

it

wasn't

there.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

So

it

kind

of

left

me.

i

guess

I'm

stupid

or

something,

but

it

kind

of

dropped

me

off

a

cliff.

I

was

like,

all

right,

I'm

not

i'm

not

really

totally

there.

um

But

overall...

Great

sports-based

presentation.

Love

the

time

limits,

storytelling,

how

the

commentary

and

and

emphasize

emphasized

heart

and

realism.

The

production

felt

good,

authentic,

no

wink

wink

stuff.

Big

hair,

hot

crowd,

girls

screaming,

bray

eighty

s

wrestling

atmosphere

and

its

peak.

I

loved

the

environment

and

just

the

presentation.

Yeah,

yeah.

So,

well,

let's,

ah

we

might

as

well

get

into

the

grapple

grade.

So

let's

remind

everybody

we've

got

fast

forward,

play

and

rewind.

Fast

forward

is

boo,

don't

watch

it.

Play

is

you

probably

watch

it.

And

then

rewind

is

definitely

watch

it.

So

what

is

your

grapple

grade?

Oh,

you

know,

at

moments

I

was

like,

I'm

going

go

rewind

on

this

one.

But

I

think

overall

it,

It

has

the

vibe,

but

there's

just,

I

guess

with

rewind,

I

want

to

say

like

all

the

matches

were

good

or

at

least

like

90%

of

it.

And

I'd

say

like,

there's

just

a

couple

long

dragging,

like,

like

sort

of

like

there

was

a

couple

that

I

could

have

done

without.

um

And

there

wasn't

like

a

real

strong

main

event

finish

because

there

was

Ric

Flair

in

our

face

talking

about

a

better

match

that's

going

to

happen

somewhere

else.

So

I'm

going

to

go

play

because,

because

like

I

said,

there

was,

there

was

a

lot

that

I

ah

really

dug

too.

Yeah.

How

about

you?

What

you

say?

You

know,

i

i

feel

like

it

would

be

really

easy

to

say

play

also,

but

I

think

I

will

i

will

give

it

a

rewind

because

um

it's

it's

not

even

two

hours

long.

Okay,

cool.

It's

the

furthest

from

an

inconvenience

that

you

could

possibly

have

when

watching

what

I

would

consider

to

be

like

a

really

great

time

in

professional

wrestling.

You

get

to

see

a

lot

of

really

well-known

people

back

then

and

still

to

this

day.

um

yeah

I

mean,

it

wasn't

perfect,

you

know,

It's

certainly

not

banger

after

banger,

but

I

feel

like

it's

worth

it.

You

know,

if

if

you've

never

seen

this

era

of

wrestling,

absolutely

100%

watch

this

thing.

I

give

it

a

rewind.

You

know,

I

have

to

make

a

correction.

I

kept

saying

there

were

six

matches,

but

it

was

only

five,

right?

Yeah,

just

five.

Yeah.

Yeah.

um

And

I

understand

that

too

with

the

rewind.

i

was

I

was

thinking

at

points

when

I

watched

this

that

I

would

give

it

the

rewind

and

that

you

might

go

play

on

it

for

some

reason.

But

tom

I

think

having

one

and

the

other,

it

kind

of

balances

it

out

to

like

sort

of

a

four,

which

is

sort

of

where

I

would

put

it.

Yeah.

You

know,

like

a

four

out

of

five

if

we

were

going

that

by

that.

For

sure,

yeah.

I

think...

Yeah.

Because

in

reality,

I

feel

like

it

does

kind

of

fit

squarely

in

between

those

two.

Like,

is

it

absolute...

Is

every

match

absolute

required

viewing?

No,

it's

not.

Is

it

a

mid-show?

No,

it's

not.

it's

It's

kind

of

in

the

middle

there.

So,

you

know,

I

enjoyed

it.

Yeah.

I

didn't

think

I

would

as

much

as

I

did.

really...

i

really

As

I'm

getting

older,

I'm

like,

ah

thank

God,

two

hours.

This

is

so

nice.

Like

every

time

we

watch

one

that's

four

hours,

I'm

like,

geez,

what

are

we

doing

with

our

lives?

Yeah.

This

was

a

huge

improvement

from

watching

Bing

Long

SummerSlam

with

all

the

stinker

matches

a

couple

of

weeks

ago,

but

it

had

such

a

good

match

at

the

end.

Mm

hmm.

You

know,

it's

like

I

kind

of

want

it

to

be

all

really

good.

Yeah.

And

then

at

the

end,

just

like,

holy

fucking

shit,

you

know,

but.

There's

just

not,

yeah,

there's

not

a

lot

of

all

killer,

no

filler.

I

mean,

what

i

was

thinking

about

this

yesterday.

i

was

like,

man,

what

what

should

i

what

should

be

my

next

one?

And

I

think

I

have

one,

but

there

was

a

part

of

me

that

was

like,

why

don't

we

just

watch

an

NXT

pay-per-view

from

2017?

Because

you

want

to

talk

about

wire-to-wire,

banger

every

match.

Those

pay-per-views

are

nuts.

And

I

don't

think

you

were

watching

at

the

time,

but

like...

Yeah.

Oh

my

God,

dude.

i

watched

I

watched

the

opener

of

something.

I

think

it

was

NXT

TakeOver

Dallas.

And

it

was

American

Alpha,

which

was

Chad

Gable

and

some

other

guy,

Justin

Johnson,

maybe,

who

I've

never

heard

of.

Chad

Gable

with

super

long

hair

versus

The

Revival

or

FTR.

And

the

crowd

was

fucking

bananas,

dude.

yeah

Every

every

match,

it's

just...

Maybe

one

of

these

days

we'll

have

to

do

an

NXT

one,

even

though

it

kind

of

goes

against

our

premise

of

a

very

old

school

VHS

era

stuff.

But

ah

let's

talk

about

the

ah

the

ESPN

WWE

pay-per-view

deal

really

quick.

Yeah.

um

That

was

announced,

I

think,

last

week.

And,

you

know,

for

me

personally,

i

don't

fucking

care.

I

already

have

ESPN,

so

it's

not

like

it's

an

inconvenience

to

me.

But

I

did

think

it

was

a

very

interesting

choice.

it

kind

of

You

know,

it

obviously

makes

sense.

they

want

to

They

want

to

make

money.

They

want

to

sell

rights

in

as

many

different

ways.

arenas

and

avenues

as

they

can.

um

So

it's

sort

of

a

natural

fit

given

how

UFC

is

also

airing

on

ESPN

and

ESPN

Plus.

But

I

know

that

it

has,

ah

you

know,

it's

been

a

pretty

divisive

decision.

People

are

not

thrilled.

The

people

that

don't

have

cable

anymore

that

don't

have

yeah

ESPN

are

not

thrilled

about

having

to

pay

$30

month

for

yeah

ESPN.

Well,

it's

because

they're

used

to

paying

$12.99

or

something,

whatever

um

Peacock

is.

For

Peacock,

yeah.

i

mean,

you

could

pay

I

think

you

could

pay

even

$9.99

if

you

don't

care

about

ads.

Oh,

yeah.

so

So

then

it's

200%

increase.

Anytime

you

do

that,

if

you're

selling,

you

know.

Yeah.

You're

going

to

alien

alienate

somebody,

yeah.

Yeah,

but

I

mean,

$30

watch

pay-per-views

is

not...

What

do

you

think

about

it?

to

watch

pay

views

is

It's

better

than

$50

or

$60.

not

Yeah.

Yeah,

at

this

point

in

my

life,

like

it's

it's

not

like

ah

an

amount

of

money

that

I

even

noticed.

I

probably

pay

for

some

of

these

streaming

services.

Well,

I

have

sometimes

twice

for

years

and

not

even

noticed.

um

which

I

suspect

I've

been

paying

for

Paramount

Plus

twice

because

my

TVs

don't

ever

remember

where

I'm

at.

Yeah.

And

I'm

like,

am

i

I

have

two

profiles.

like

Anyways,

um

so

i

don't

i

mean

I

don't

know.

I'm

not

someone

that's

going

to

kick

and

scream.

When

I

was

in

my

20s

and

trying

to...

yeah

you

know

and

and

china

but

scrape

up

$10

to

see

a

friend's

band.

Yeah.

It

would

have

pissed

me

the

fuck

off.

You

know,

like,

like

if

all

of

a

sudden

like

concerts

were

$30

instead

of

10,

you

know?

um

so

I

understand.

I

just,

I

guess

I

don't

really

care

right

now.

I

watch,

I

mean,

we

can

still

watch

it

on

Netflix

with

a

VPN,

right?

Yeah,

but

you

know

what?

I

was

trying

to

watch

SmackDown

on

Friday

with

a

VPN

on

Netflix,

and

for

the

first

time,

Netflix

was

like,

we

don't

recognize

where

you're

at.

And

I

was

like,

no,

don't

tell

me.

You

fucking

figured

out

my

sneakiness.

So

i

don't

know

if

I

don't

know

I

mean,

i

obviously

they're

going

to

clamp

down

and

and

stop

people

from

doing

that

when

possible,

but...

Yeah.

Hopefully

that

was

just

a

temporary

inconvenience

for

me

because

I

really

enjoyed

watching

net

watching

raw

and

NXT

and

SmackDown

on

Netflix,

usually

with

all

the

commercials

taken

out.

And

now

I,

now

I

can't

do

that.

You

know,

I

was

watching,

I

think,

trying

to

watch

SmackDown

this

past

Friday

from

Canada,

and

it

wouldn't

let

me.

Okay.

And

then

I

went

down

to

Mexico

on

the

VPN,

and

and

that's

what

that

worked.

Okay.

And

I

was

like,

all

right,

fuck

guys.

Okay,

that's

funny

because

I

was

trying

Canada

too

and

it

didn't

work

for

me

either,

but

I

did

not

try

in

Mexico.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay.

So

maybe

I'll

have

to

try

that

next

time.

Okay.

Yeah.

But

I

mean,

eventually

they're

going

to

stop

us

from

playing

around

with

but

I

just

hope

the

pay-per-views

are

accessible

to

us

somewhere.

Yeah.

um

i

heard

that

the

deal

with

ESPN,

I'm

talking

about,

sorry.

I

just

hope

the

back

catalog

is

accessible

to

us

somewhere

because

I

heard

that

the

back

catalog

is

not

included

with

the

ESPN

deal.

Yes,

that's

a

big

thing.

It

is

not.

Yeah.

From

what

I've

read

also.

And

i

you

know,

again,

they're

a

business,

they're

trying

to

make

money.

It

makes

sense

that

they

would

separate

that

out

now.

And,

you

know,

maybe

they

re

up

their

deal

with

Peacock.

Maybe

it

goes

somewhere

else.

I

think,

I

hope

that

it

goes

somewhere

else

because

to

lose

that

back

catalog

would

not

only

be

horrible

for

this

podcast,

but

I

feel

like

it's

just

a

detriment

in

general

to

professionally,

professional

wrestling

fans,

because,

know,

There's

so

much

there.

There's

literally

more

wrestling

than

you

could

probably

ever

watch

in

your

lifetime

in

that,

in

that

Peacock

catalog.

Yeah.

I

mean,

I

just

have

it

on

at

my

work

and

at

my

house,

like

all

fucking

day,

just

in

the

room.

I

just

like

wrestling

on

the

TV

and,

you

know,

I

can

just,

you

put

on

nitro

and,

you

know,

I

mean,

it's

dude,

Yeah.

I

don't

all

those

fucking

years

with

it

going

on

for

hours

every

week.

Yeah.

I

mean,

it's

just

an

unlimited

amount

of

thing.

Every

time

I

walk

by

the

TV,

I'm

like,

I've

never

seen

this

before.

What

the

fuck

is

this?

This

is

crazy.

Yeah.

And

it's

always

just

like

wild

shit.

but

um

But

it's

not

just

Nitro,

obviously.

It's

like

all

the

shows

and

some

of

it

goes

back

to

like

the

70s,

the

archives

and...

Yeah.

They

have

Georgia

championship

wrestling.

They

have,

ah

you

know,

i

quite

frankly,

I

wish

they

had

more

territory

stuff.

um

Yeah.

Yeah.

I

know

there

are

territories

that

I

hear

people

talk

about

with

such

high

regard.

And

then

I

go

to

try

and

find

them

and

i'm

like,

Oh,

it's

not

there.

So,

you

know,

no

I

was

done.

That's

why

the...

Oh,

go

ahead.

and

Oh,

That's

why

the

tape

traders,

they

some

of

them

are

holding

steady.

They're

like,

you

know,

this

isn't

guaranteed

that

you

have

access

to

all

this

forever.

Hmm.

Yeah.

So

we'll

keep

our

tapes.

And,

you

know,

there

might

be

things

that

kind

of

disappear.

and

And

some

of

them

claim

to

have,

you

know,

copies

that

are

better

than

what

Peacock

has

because

some

of

these

all

these

old

this

old

footage,

like,

they

yeah,

they

take

the

music

out.

They

take

the

music

out.

Or

they

just,

if

it's

old,

old

stuff,

they

get

they

got

whatever

tape

in

whatever

condition

they

could

and

put

and

you

know,

upload

it,

digitized

it.

Mm-hmm.

And

it's

not

in

its

complete

form

or

it's

been

dubbed

a

few

times.

Yeah,

I've

seen

ive

i've

seen

those

um

on

the

WWE

Vault

YouTube

channel,

on

the

WCW

YouTube

channel.

They've

been

posting

things

recently

where

they

have

that

disclaimer

at

the

bottom

where

that's

like,

this

is

presented

to

you

in

the

best

possible

format.

Yeah.

you

know

a

bunch

of

shit's

been

lost.

And

it's

so

interesting.

Yeah.

i

you

know

i

certainly

would

rather

see

it

than

not

see

it.

But

Kind

of

crazy

that

like

some

of

this

stuff

is

just

lost

to

the

sands

of

time.

Yeah,

and

some

of

that

stuff

wasn't

from

any

studio.

It

was

like

it

aired,

it

was

over,

like

and

just

some

guy

happened

to

tape

it,

and

that's

what

you're

watching

on

Peacock,

yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah,

like

the...

Was

it

a

Great...

amount

So

in,

I

think,

85

or

86,

they

took

the

Great

American

Bash

on

tour,

and

they

did

a

bunch

of

different

Great

American

Bash

shows

in

different

cities.

And

I

don't

think

all

of

them

were

televised

or

even

taped.

So

one

of

the

ones

that

got

posted

maybe

a

month

or

two

ago

was

like...

I

was

watching

it

and

i

was

like

I

don't

think

this

was

on

TV

or

on

pay-per-view

just

because

of

the

angles

and

the

types

of

cameras

that

they

were

using.

Yeah.

It

just

felt

like

they

were

like,

okay,

let's

record

it

but

I

don't

know

what

we're

going

to

do

with

it.

Yeah.

When

you

go

to

WWE

house

shows,

it's

funny.

There's

camera

guys

everywhere,

even

though

it's,

even

though

it's

not

on

anything,

but

yeah,

I

might

as

well.

that

They

grab

it

for

the

socials

and

stuff.

But,

um,

Yeah,

well,

I

guess

we'll

be

okay.

It'll

be

somewhere.

I

mean,

this

big

fancy

company

is

not

going

to

all

of

a

sudden

have

the

rights

to

all

this

wrestling

for

all

a

history

and

not

fucking

get

paid

for

it,

you

know?

It

has

to

be.

Yeah.

So,

um

what

do

you

want

to

watch

next

time?

This

one

was

my

call,

so

this

next

one

will

be

your

call,

Aaron.

So

I

think

I

want

us

to

give

ECW

another

try.

i

Okay.

did

a

bit

of

Googling

and

it

seems

like

people

tend

to,

in

addition

to

barely

legal,

which

we

watched,

they

tend

to

say

that

a

heat

wave

1998

is

one

of

the

better

ECW

pay-per-views.

So

I

want

to

check

that

one

out.

Seems

like

it's

got

some

interesting

shit

in

it.

I

think

there

is,

let's

see,

we've

got

a,

Balls

Mahoney

and

Axel

Rotten

versus

FBI.

Just

Incredible

against

Jerry

Lynn.

Chris

Candido

against

Lance

Storm.

and

Masato

Tanaka

against

Mike

Awesome,

which

we

saw

at

ECW

One

Night

Stand.

Oh,

yeah.

So

I'm

kind

of

curious

how

that

is.

RVD

and

Sabu

a

tag

match.

Oh,

shit.

Taz

against

Bam

Bam.

I

don't

know

if

you've

seen

that

ever.

Whoa.

It's

a

pretty

famous

moment

from

that

match,

which

I

won't

ah

spoil

for

you.

Okay.

And

then

our

old

pal

Tommy

Dreamer

and

Sandman

and

against

the

Dudleys.

Wow,

that

sounds

like

a

good

one.

I

am

stoked.

Well,

I

think

that's

all

the

time

we

have

for

today.

If

you

want

to

call

and

cut

a

promo

on

us

or

send

us

a

message,

if

you

have

comments

or

thoughts

about

all

the

stuff

we've

just

watched

about

Clash

of

the

Champions

3,

or

if

you

have

any

suggestions

on

your

pay-per-views

we

should

watch

next,

you

can

send

us

an

email

grapple

city

pod

at

gmail.com

or

you

can

find

us

on

socials.

We're

grapples

at

grapple

city

pod.

And

of

course

you

can

call

six,

two,

six,

six,

five,

seven

slam

and

cut

a

pro

promo

on

us.

Uh,

tell

us

how

shitty

we

are,

how

wrong

we

are,

or

how

much

you

just

love

the

show.

Um,

like,

uh,

Yeah,

I

want

to

hear,

we

we

talked

about

a

lot

of

current

stuff.

I

want

to

know

what

people

think

about

our

our

takes

on

current

things

because

that

we

clearly,

ah

you

know,

let

somebody

be

divisive.

Somebody

somebody

argue

with

me.

All

right.

Well,

someone

that

wasn't

a

divisive,

I'll

leave

him

here

at

the

outro,

was

our

friend.

That's

what

I

want.

I

think

he

said

his

name

was

Big

Ol'

Leroy

or

something.

Left

a

message

by

calling

626-657-SLAM.

And

it

was

a

it

was

positive

promo

for

once.

So

until

next

time,

we

will

catch

you

in

the

cheap

seats.

Okay.

And

here's

Big

Ol'

Leroy.





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