Toga Party Acid Trip - Wrestlemania IX (1993)

With WrestleMania 41 on the horizon in Las Vegas, Bradley and Aaron rewind to the last time Mania hit Sin City—WrestleMania IX from Caesars Palace in 1993. It’s a Roman Coliseum fever dream featuring Hulk Hogan, Bret Hart, Yokozuna, The Undertaker, Shawn Michaels, Razor Ramon, Lex Luger, Mr. Perfect, The Steiner Brothers, Doink the Clown, and more. The guys break down Bobby Heenan riding a camel backwards, double Doinks, Undertaker's worst Mania match (according to him), and Hogan hijacking the main event. Plus: CM Punk finally gets his long-awaited WrestleMania main event, and the fellas geek out over WWE 2K25, the Bloodline showcase, and all things weird in ‘90s wrestling aesthetics.

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00:00:00.48
Aaron
Okay. Shit. Hey, this is Aaron Fink from Grapple City Rewind. If you like what you hear on this episode, please give us a follow, leave a review, cut a promo on us, anything goes.

00:00:11.35
Aaron
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00:00:17.31
Bradley Palermo
Hello and welcome to Grapple City Rewind, taking you all the way back to the pay-per-views that shaped wrestling history. WrestleMania 41 is coming up quick in Las Vegas, Nevada. So this week, we're going to revisit the first and only other time that Mania hits in Sin City back in 1993. It was WrestleMania 9. We've got a lot of thoughts about it.

00:00:42.53
Bradley Palermo
It's about as loony as wrestling gets. I'm Bradley Palermo, here as always with Aaron Fink. And Aaron, we take this acid trip back to the mind of Vince McMahon circa 1993.

00:00:48.13
Aaron
Hello.

00:00:54.55
Bradley Palermo
What's on your mind involving the current product?

00:00:58.63
Aaron
Well, ah I don't think it's any secret that you and i are big CM Punk fans. And on SmackDown this past Friday, we found out that not only will CM Punk be in a triple threat match against Seth Rollins and Roman Reigns, but that that match will close the show on one of the nights of WrestleMania and that CM Punk, for the first time in his career, will have a WrestleMania main event under his belt.

00:01:26.85
Bradley Palermo
Yes. And it's not Seth freaking Rollins anymore, right? It's just Seth Rollins, which feel like you almost stopped when you said his name.

00:01:31.48
Aaron
I don't know. It's, it's because yeah, they, well, they're, they, so it's funny that you say that I read something maybe like a month ago that they took the freaking out of his name on the wwe WWE website, but then they still, the announcers, it's like 50, 50, you could flip a coin.

00:01:34.21
Bradley Palermo
Okay.

00:01:44.89
Bradley Palermo
Okay.

00:01:50.53
Aaron
i think sometimes they still do say freaking, but I don't think the commentators say it anymore. I think they just say Seth Rollins or maybe, I don't know.

00:01:56.73
Bradley Palermo
i think I think I saw an interview with Rollins where he said that he he was like, could you just like not do it as much?

00:01:58.00
Aaron
They're,

00:02:05.96
Bradley Palermo
you know Because it was kind of like a Vince thing.

00:02:07.77
Aaron
Yeah.

00:02:08.49
Bradley Palermo
And I was like, all right. So he kind of, I mean, it's stupid. If you can't say Seth fucking Rollins, then like just don't just say Seth Rollins.

00:02:15.13
Aaron
Just call Seth Rollins. Yeah.

00:02:16.44
Bradley Palermo
Yeah. Yeah.

00:02:16.71
Aaron
So anyway, ah The CM Punk having a WrestleMania main event is a big deal for CM Punk and for CM Punk fans, because if you know anything about him, pretty much since day one of him being in the WWE, wwe he wanted to be a WrestleMania main eventer.

00:02:36.03
Aaron
I mean, what professional wrestler doesn't come into the business hoping that that is what they get? That's their ultimate goal.

00:02:43.22
Bradley Palermo
Right.

00:02:43.69
Aaron
It's like, you know, winning game seven of the World Series or throwing the winning touchdown pass during the Super Bowl. I mean, there's few things like it in this world. So um me being as big a fan of CM Punk as I am, i i i wanted this for him for so long. And when he came back in November of 2023, thought, okay He's finally going to get it.

00:03:05.13
Bradley Palermo
right

00:03:05.98
Aaron
Hell yeah. And, you know, he got injured in the Royal Rumble in 2024, and so it didn't work out for him last year, but it's working out this year, and I'm very happy for him. i think that he has earned it, and I'm very excited for the day, for when it comes.

00:03:21.32
Bradley Palermo
Yeah, and I feel like we almost got the biggest part of the payoff just went the moment with him in the ring with Paul Heyman, and Paul Heyman looks at him on SmackDown, and you know they both have tears in their eyes, and he's like, you got your dream.

00:03:33.75
Aaron
Mm-hmm.

00:03:35.26
Bradley Palermo
you know um that

00:03:36.75
Aaron
It's a genuine moment.

00:03:38.05
Bradley Palermo
that yeah i mean That kind of emotion, i think, comes maybe only once a year or so in wrestling or every couple years. So I feel like, I mean...

00:03:46.42
Aaron
Yeah.

00:03:48.56
Bradley Palermo
ah Yeah, it was legitimate. I feel like the other two guys that he's fighting kind of maybe talk too fast and too much over it. I was like, can you just let us enjoy this for a second? But they were like, oh, I mean, of course, it's wrestling. They got to be like, fuck you. You don't deserve it.

00:04:03.44
Aaron
Yeah.

00:04:03.56
Bradley Palermo
but um But it was cool. I don't really love three-way matches. But, i mean, we'll take what we can get. It looked like he was not going to get, um you know, top billing on this thing.

00:04:15.42
Aaron
A singles match, yeah. but i don't

00:04:16.58
Bradley Palermo
Yeah.

00:04:18.32
Aaron
I don't love triple threats either, but if there was ever a triple threat that I would be okay with, I think it would be one with these three guys because they're all really, really talented.

00:04:28.92
Aaron
i Say what you will about Seth Rollins' character. i i haven't been the biggest fan of his recent character where he's laughing like the Joker and wearing extremely ridiculous outfits, um but no one can deny he's a talented dude.

00:04:40.88
Bradley Palermo
Right. Right. Right.

00:04:44.42
Aaron
And he more than has earned all of the accolades that he's received in his career. And then you can say the same about Roman. And, you know, an interesting thing that they haven't really dove into yet even is the fact that Seth Rollins and Roman Reigns as the shield with ah Dean Ambrose, they came about into the WWE wwe because of CM Punk.

00:04:51.31
Bradley Palermo
correct

00:05:05.21
Aaron
I don't know if you remember this. I don't think you were watching back then, but he was the one that brought the shield in like storyline wise.

00:05:10.89
Bradley Palermo
i was I wasn't watching, but somebody said, somewhere Punk on some show said in the last week, and maybe maybe i just saw a tweet or something, but he said, I brought you into this business and I'll take you out.

00:05:25.76
Bradley Palermo
there was something like kind of kind of like a mom says their kid or whatever, but it was CM Punk to, to the, to the shield members.

00:05:29.74
Aaron
Yeah. Yeah.

00:05:33.63
Bradley Palermo
so so maybe there's been something alluded to, but I didn't get it. Cause I was like, how the fuck did he bring them in? Cause I wasn't watching at that time. So that explains a lot.

00:05:41.55
Aaron
He was champion and I think, you know, he was a bad guy. he was a heel champion and I'm pretty sure they were just brought in as extra security or something. Maybe.

00:05:50.44
Bradley Palermo
Oh, I see.

00:05:50.55
Aaron
I don't know.

00:05:51.50
Bradley Palermo
Yeah.

00:05:51.87
Aaron
Yeah.

00:05:52.83
Bradley Palermo
That's fascinating.

00:05:52.85
Aaron
But yeah, you know, stoked for Punk. um Obviously, i mean, you know, he doesn't need a title. Punk doesn't need to win a championship in wwe WWE. This was all he really needed was to get his WrestleMania main event and he has it.

00:06:04.30
Bradley Palermo
Right.

00:06:06.36
Aaron
So I'm happy.

00:06:07.30
Bradley Palermo
Yeah, and I think it was time because I know, like I was saying, all these guys that are better like, you know, my age or a little bit older, they do a match, they get injured.

00:06:17.14
Bradley Palermo
I mean, it's what happens when you're in your 40s, right? Like, you can't, yeah, it's Cena's last hurrah, but like, we don't get CM Punk forever.

00:06:20.67
Aaron
Yeah.

00:06:25.77
Bradley Palermo
So, you know, it's good that we're doing it now because i don't I don't know if he's going to be around in a year or two years. We can't build this forever. you know

00:06:34.00
Aaron
Yeah. And you know what?

00:06:34.67
Bradley Palermo
i mean, alive, yes, but around as a wrestler. Right. Yeah.

00:06:37.61
Aaron
Well, it's funny that you say that because as I said it before, I'm a huge CM Punk fan. um But every time I've watched a match of his since his injury in the Royal Rumble, there's a part of me that's like really nervous because I don't want him to get hurt.

00:06:52.40
Aaron
And I'm like, I lean and i lean forward extra and I'm like super fucking stressed because I'm like, please just don't hurt yourself.

00:06:52.73
Bradley Palermo
Right.

00:06:59.47
Bradley Palermo
yeah

00:06:59.80
Aaron
I just want you to be able, i just want you to be healthy and to wrestle because

00:07:02.56
Bradley Palermo
right

00:07:05.08
Aaron
and and And, you know, my wife doesn't love wrestling like I do, but she she puts up with it and she watches a bunch of it. She said to me the other day, and she said this before, he is the best promo she's ever seen.

00:07:16.79
Aaron
She's like, and and it's not even close.

00:07:16.93
Bradley Palermo
That's all he needs to do.

00:07:18.72
Aaron
It's not even close, she said.

00:07:18.85
Bradley Palermo
yeah

00:07:20.79
Aaron
And I agree.

00:07:21.92
Bradley Palermo
I think that's that's the thing. You don't really have to have him wrestle that much. His promo is so good.

00:07:25.74
Aaron
Mm-hmm.

00:07:26.48
Bradley Palermo
You just just keep him healthy. Even when he gets in there, it's like, at this point, you don't have to do that many spots. Like, we're kind of sold that CM Punk finally arrived.

00:07:36.77
Bradley Palermo
We've been waiting x amount of months and all these cool promos in between each match. So, I don't know.

00:07:41.68
Aaron
Mm-hmm.

00:07:42.73
Bradley Palermo
Yeah, it's, in a way, like, I mean, Roman hardly has to that much. He's not a great promo, but he's he's just his energy, you know.

00:07:51.20
Aaron
He's a good promo. He's a good promo. But I mean, you know, it's funny.

00:07:53.61
Bradley Palermo
Yeah.

00:07:57.04
Aaron
Punk, if you had asked me 15 years ago, if I thought Punk was good in ring, I would say, yeah, pretty good. You know, or or like, yeah, he's he's pretty good.

00:08:06.01
Bradley Palermo
Yeah.

00:08:08.54
Aaron
But it's funny because now he wrestles. He doesn't do as many spots as he used to, but i I don't have a problem with that.

00:08:14.05
Bradley Palermo
Right.

00:08:16.65
Aaron
I feel like as I've gotten older, what I appreciate a little bit more than and incredibly well put together match with a lot of high spots is a match that has psychology and storytelling in it.

00:08:27.46
Bradley Palermo
Yeah. Right.

00:08:27.61
Aaron
And with age, he has gotten so good at that.

00:08:27.65
Bradley Palermo
Yeah.

00:08:30.59
Aaron
and You know, the match with Drew McIntyre where Rollins was the special guest referee, maybe it wasn't the greatest match in the world, but it was pretty fun.

00:08:40.68
Aaron
Every match he's had since his injury has been really good.

00:08:41.10
Bradley Palermo
right

00:08:44.74
Aaron
And it's been paced slowly. And, you know, like, like I just said, he's not doing, he's not trying to do buckshot lariats like he was in AEW.

00:08:47.06
Bradley Palermo
yeah

00:08:53.07
Bradley Palermo
but I was going to say, it's i love I love watching you say this while you're wearing a Kenny Omega shirt right now, for those of you that can't see.

00:08:53.65
Aaron
You know, he,

00:09:01.24
Aaron
Kenny's Kenny's dope. ah Yeah, but that's the thing, right?

00:09:02.87
Bradley Palermo
Yeah.

00:09:03.32
Aaron
I love Kenny Omega. a Kenny's great, you know, but you don't always have to do that any and and and Kenny has crazy matches with lots of spots.

00:09:04.71
Bradley Palermo
Yeah.

00:09:08.36
Bradley Palermo
Right.

00:09:13.11
Aaron
But but Kenny also tells a story in the ring and he does his best with the time that he's given on TV to hype up the match before it happens, you know?

00:09:16.38
Bradley Palermo
Yeah.

00:09:22.06
Bradley Palermo
Yes, yeah, no, for sure. It's just ah two very different like paces.

00:09:25.78
Aaron
Yeah, no, for sure. i I am actually really surprised at how my taste in wrestling has changed. And I think. That could actually lead us into talking about WrestleMania nine because um I didn't like this paper feed very much. So I felt like this is the first one where I'm like, there's not a ton of great stuff to say, you know, like April 4th, 1993. This is where we're set up at the at Caesars Palace in Las Vegas. It's the first WrestleMania that had an outdoor venue.

00:09:59.02
Aaron
And I thought that was interesting because whenever you have a big sporting event outdoors and you don't have a roof or a ceiling, sound just goes up and then it you don't hear it. It dissipates. So like not only were they outside, they also had 16,000 something people at this WrestleMania. And the last one had like 40,000 or something. So a big decrease in the number of fans.

00:10:23.26
Bradley Palermo
Second smallest WrestleMania ever.

00:10:27.03
Aaron
Oh, wow.

00:10:27.92
Bradley Palermo
Smallest outdoor WrestleMania ever.

00:10:31.08
Aaron
Interesting.

00:10:31.13
Bradley Palermo
ah But it was the world's largest toga party.

00:10:35.43
Aaron
Yeah. Joy. So exciting. that I was not a fan of this theme. i guess it makes sense given the venue, but otherwise it didn't do anything for me. I thought it was stupid.

00:10:45.73
Bradley Palermo
This thing is crazy. So everyone's in Togas from the camera crew to Jim Ross. It's Jim Ross' first pay-per-view for WWF, by the way.

00:10:55.29
Aaron
Oh, yes. and And oh, wait, we should also say um so this came, i think, three months before King of the Ring 1993, which we which we just reviewed in the previous episode. So everything that happens in this pay-per-view kind of directly leads into what we just covered. of

00:11:12.49
Bradley Palermo
Yeah, and while this pay-per-view is kind of famously bad, I think there's there's some important aspects of it, being that it's by by many considered to be like the unceremonious death of the golden era and the beginning of the new generation era. Yeah.

00:11:31.72
Bradley Palermo
And it has some really, so some of the worst finishes. It has Undertaker's worst match in his streak, according to The Undertaker himself.

00:11:41.10
Aaron
Right.

00:11:41.54
Bradley Palermo
um We should, yeah, we'll talk about it, but I don't think it's, um Maybe it's so bad it's good in a way. yeah you know We can decide that as we kind of go along.

00:11:51.52
Bradley Palermo
um I mean, it's at Caesars Palace, right?

00:11:52.70
Aaron
I don't know about that, man. I don't know about that.

00:11:54.43
Bradley Palermo
So everything is just themed like the fucking casino. So I don't know what fucking Vince was on. I mean, the the barricades have gold ww WWF logos on them.

00:12:06.71
Bradley Palermo
They're like all over the barricades. There's gold and black robes, like Roman facade walls off in the distance.

00:12:13.00
Aaron
Mm-hmm.

00:12:13.31
Bradley Palermo
um

00:12:14.02
Aaron
Tried to make it look like the Coliseum, you know, with the the behind the fans who were all the way in the bleachers.

00:12:14.03
Bradley Palermo
Nobody really there. Yeah.

00:12:19.38
Aaron
They had what what I assume is just like matte paintings of what would be the Coliseum arches.

00:12:23.20
Bradley Palermo
Yeah. Yeah. Cheap 90s Vegas shit.

00:12:27.31
Aaron
Yeah.

00:12:27.59
Bradley Palermo
um A parade of exotic animals throughout the night. Birds of prey, ostriches, fucking Caesar and Cleopatra enter at the beginning on like some kind of elegant chariot, which I'm sure they just grabbed the casino performers and had them come out.

00:12:36.41
Aaron
Oh, yeah.

00:12:44.52
Bradley Palermo
Macho man's carried out on a chariot by, what is it? Some sort of virgins? Vestial virgins?

00:12:50.16
Aaron
uh uh vestal is that what they say vestal virgins

00:12:53.24
Bradley Palermo
yeah I don't even know what that means. Heenan comes out.

00:12:57.56
Aaron
vestal virgin in in ancient rome the vestal virgins were priestesses of vesta the goddess of the hearth who maintained the sacred fire in her temple and performed other religious rites requiring a 30-year vow of chastity

00:13:10.26
Bradley Palermo
Okay, so they're performing certain things, but not others. um Heenan enters backwards on a camel.

00:13:19.14
Aaron
That was pretty funny.

00:13:19.36
Bradley Palermo
um He's riding the camel backwards. I don't know. He falls off, shows his blue underpants, which I feel like we've seen before. Oh, no, that was someone else wearing the blue underpants.

00:13:29.69
Aaron
Polly. Yeah.

00:13:30.43
Bradley Palermo
Paul E.

00:13:30.70
Aaron
Polly dangerously.

00:13:31.53
Bradley Palermo
Yeah, he must have got them from Paul Heyman.

00:13:35.14
Bradley Palermo
Gross.

00:13:35.36
Aaron
Yeah. So interesting table, interesting commentary table, Bobby Heenan, Macho Man, Randy Savage, and Jim Ross. but What we just watched was Jim Ross's second pay-per-view. This is his first pay-per-view with the world wrestling federation.

00:13:48.18
Aaron
And I guess we'll jump into the first match, which was...

00:13:50.44
Bradley Palermo
Wait, hold on. Should I? Sorry, sorry. we never We didn't do my social plug earlier. Should I just do it now so I can drop it in later?

00:13:55.16
Aaron
Okay. Of course.

00:13:58.28
Bradley Palermo
Let us know what you've been watching. or let's see.

00:14:00.97
Aaron
don't know do like a And don't forget to let us know what you're wanting to

00:14:03.96
Bradley Palermo
Okay. And don't forget to let us know what you've been watching. Hit us up. Hold on. And don't forget to hit us up on Instagram at grapple city pod or leave us a voicemail at six, two, six, six, five, seven slam.

00:14:17.38
Bradley Palermo
That's six, two, six, six, five, seven, seven, five, two, six. It's all listed down there in our description.

00:14:22.92
Aaron
Sweet. All right, let's get to the first match of this pay-per-view, which was Tatanka versus Shawn Michaels for the Intercontinental title. So, yeah, this was actually a pretty good match. We had a little pre-match package that was explaining to us how Shawn Michaels had a little bit of a spat with his former manager, the Sensational Sherry, and Sherry had formed an alliance with Tatanka.

00:14:49.90
Aaron
And then as Shawn Michaels comes out to the ring for this pay-per-view, we see Luna Vachon behind him for, I think, the first time in WWF. If anyone's never seen her, you should look her up.

00:15:00.88
Bradley Palermo
Yeah.

00:15:01.98
Aaron
She's pretty scary. She's got some tattoos on the side of her head. And I believe she ends up being Bam Bigelow's manager at some point in the near future. I remember her.

00:15:12.77
Aaron
She terrified me because she just had a really raspy...

00:15:16.22
Bradley Palermo
yeah

00:15:16.58
Aaron
you know, gravelly voice and she shaved part of the side of her hair on on the side of her head and she just always looked like a crazy person. So.

00:15:25.87
Bradley Palermo
I used to work with this girl that looked just like Luna Vachon, and this was like 10 years ago, and she was just as mean.

00:15:30.79
Aaron
Yeah.

00:15:32.71
Bradley Palermo
And um i would met my wife back then, and I would always be like, fucking Luna Vachon over there. And she'd kind of laugh. And then one day she was like, who is Luna Vachon?

00:15:43.43
Bradley Palermo
Like, oh, yeah, that's a good question.

00:15:43.58
Aaron
And then you had to show her.

00:15:45.28
Bradley Palermo
Just a really terrifying, scary-ass woman.

00:15:48.78
Aaron
Yeah, yeah. So anyway, this intercontinental match, they did a little bit of setup with the commentary about how Tatanka was undefeated coming up to this. And I think he had actually beaten Shawn Michaels a couple of times, ah first in a singles match that was not for the title and then in a six man tag. So they were setting things up like maybe Tatanka was going to be able to beat him. Yeah.

00:16:13.31
Aaron
You know, I never thought I would say this, but i was a little underwhelmed by a Shawn Michaels match.

00:16:19.85
Bradley Palermo
Yeah.

00:16:19.86
Aaron
Like, holy shit. I love Shawn Michaels. I think 90% of his matches are incredible. But there were a couple of moments that felt uncharacteristically sloppy for a Shawn Michaels match here. And I don't know if They just had a tough time with their chemistry or if it was Tatanka's fault or whatever. But yeah, i I was a little let down by this match. And I also didn't really love the finish um where Tatanka wins via countout. But the way that it was shot and the way that it transpired in front of us, it was very difficult to see.

00:16:57.10
Aaron
that Shawn Michaels had been counted out. Essentially what happened was they were fighting on the outside to Tonka and Shawn Michaels. Shawn Michaels didn't make it back in time before the referee's 10 count, but the camera wasn't showing us that the referee was counting.

00:17:10.15
Bradley Palermo
Yeah.

00:17:10.66
Aaron
Then we see Shawn Michaels pulled the referee and like, you know, knock him out for a second, pull him outside to the ring.

00:17:15.68
Bradley Palermo
So we think that's a DQ.

00:17:17.67
Aaron
Yeah, no, but right.

00:17:18.18
Bradley Palermo
That's what I thought, because he grabs the ref. But it wasn't.

00:17:20.34
Aaron
And,

00:17:20.80
Bradley Palermo
It was a countout. Yeah.

00:17:22.21
Aaron
Yeah, which is strange. So the ref gets up after being knocked out, and he rings the bell, and and then they explain it all after the fact. And that was why, that on top of everything else, the the the the sloppiness and so forth, the the like you said, the finish was just like, huh?

00:17:37.28
Bradley Palermo
Right. and And Luna and Sherry are fighting, interfering and whatever the entire time.

00:17:37.91
Aaron
Okay.

00:17:43.07
Bradley Palermo
So the match seems kind of more about them. And I did see a couple of weird spots where they sort of half throw each other and then stop whatever they're doing and like kind of reset. Like, i don't know what that was supposed to be, but they weren't coordinating in some way.

00:17:55.11
Aaron
Yeah.

00:17:58.13
Bradley Palermo
And yeah, but.

00:17:58.24
Aaron
And everybody makes mistakes. I understand that. no one's Not everyone's going to have a perfect match every time, but, you know, Shawn Michaels has a lot more good matches than bad, so I was just a little surprised.

00:18:09.31
Bradley Palermo
Tatanka's uh his hulk up is so fucking corny man he's like yeah i it is but though he he really hulked up this time with his like one knee bouncing up in the air and man it was it was something something else but uh yeah I wrote in my notes dumb finish and uh that's probably all that needs we can move on to um

00:18:14.49
Aaron
Yeah. His whole gimmicks, Cordy, we talked about this, though.

00:18:23.35
Aaron
Mm-hmm.

00:18:31.12
Aaron
It was dumb.

00:18:35.06
Bradley Palermo
to the Steiner brothers versus the Head Shrinkers in the second match, which I feel like we've seen these these two go at it before.

00:18:38.42
Aaron
Mm hmm.

00:18:44.62
Bradley Palermo
Maybe it was like in eight-man tag in King of the Ring.

00:18:49.51
Aaron
It was. yeah i think you're right.

00:18:50.34
Bradley Palermo
But, yeah, because this is...

00:18:50.95
Aaron
Yeah. And no wonder we didn't care because this was the lead up to that. We hadn't watched it.

00:18:55.37
Bradley Palermo
Right. Yeah, we're watching things backwards. But um this is one of the better matches of the of the show.

00:18:57.98
Aaron
Yeah.

00:19:01.66
Bradley Palermo
I feel like there was a spot where um one of the head shrinkers picked up a Steiner over his shoulder and sprinted backwards, growing Scott over his shoulder and over the top rope.

00:19:14.33
Aaron
Yeah, and threw him over the top rope.

00:19:19.99
Bradley Palermo
I don't think he grabbed anything. It was just like plop, you know.

00:19:23.29
Aaron
Yeah, and he went straight to the floor. That was nuts. This was fun because I just bought WWE 2K25, and they've got that whole bloodline showcase mode, and this is one of the matches that you get to play in that.

00:19:35.53
Aaron
So I did, yeah, I did buy it.

00:19:35.53
Bradley Palermo
Oh, you've got it too? Yeah, we got to play each other on there.

00:19:39.52
Aaron
Yeah, we will. I have to get better first. You're probably much better than me.

00:19:43.13
Bradley Palermo
I, yeah, I haven't played the Bloodline mode past like the Yokozuna match, but there's a lot of fucking modes on there.

00:19:50.96
Aaron
I did, I think, three of them, I think.

00:19:54.65
Bradley Palermo
They have like the Island of Relevancy and and I like to play

00:19:56.07
Aaron
Yeah.

00:19:58.36
Aaron
Oh, I haven't done that yet. The island. Yeah.

00:20:00.48
Bradley Palermo
I like to play the, um, my faction shit where you, uh, where you play online against people with the different cards.

00:20:05.58
Aaron
Oh, with the cards.

00:20:08.79
Bradley Palermo
I have all these sort of like, I have all these spammy ass moves.

00:20:08.86
Aaron
Yeah, I used to do that with FIFA.

00:20:13.03
Bradley Palermo
Like if they're better than me and it's an extreme rules match, I'm like, you will never get me in the ring. You can beat me, but it's going to, it's going to take fucking hour. Like it's a game of chicken. Like who puts on the controller first? Cause you still get the points that they leave. Right.

00:20:27.21
Bradley Palermo
So, but, um,

00:20:27.32
Aaron
Yeah, you're funny. I'm ah i'm a MyGM guy in that game.

00:20:32.14
Bradley Palermo
Oh, I haven't really played that mode too much, but I love the game.

00:20:34.75
Aaron
It's cool. it's It's very much my speed.

00:20:36.04
Bradley Palermo
I'm 700 hours into, if you count 2K24 and this one. So that's where I spent a lot of my time.

00:20:42.50
Aaron
Holy shit. Okay.

00:20:45.24
Bradley Palermo
But I shouldn't admit that publicly. Yeah.

00:20:49.12
Aaron
Well, you did. It's too late now.

00:20:50.80
Bradley Palermo
The head drinkers dominate this thing, which made me feel like, okay, they're definitely losing. You got to get that baby face comeback. um Which, of course, you know, Scott hit the Frankensteiner for the win.

00:21:01.81
Bradley Palermo
And I thought it was funny that Heenan demanded a replay. And kind of he kind of calls out the production sometimes because there are no replays, which I would not have noticed and and if he hadn't said it.

00:21:13.47
Bradley Palermo
But they are on this entire thing, they they don't replay anything, you know?

00:21:15.19
Aaron
Yeah.

00:21:17.36
Aaron
Yeah, it yeah it it was fun. The crowd, like you said, they were definitely behind thesteiners the Steiners, the babyfaces. It was fun to see the father of the Usos again, Rikishi Fatu.

00:21:28.96
Aaron
And, um i you know, I love the continuing thread throughout wrestling history that we see on display here regarding the strength of Samoan's foreheads.

00:21:38.60
Bradley Palermo
ah Right.

00:21:38.61
Aaron
um There are a couple of moments where the head shrinkers are attacked in in the head somehow, and it has no effect.

00:21:39.60
Bradley Palermo
but

00:21:45.01
Aaron
And I think it's really funny because in modern day, this happens with Jacob Fatu a lot. Somebody will like headbutt him or do a DDT and he just gets up and he's like, ah you know, he goes crazy and then he attacks them.

00:21:56.66
Bradley Palermo
yeah They, one of them head butted the two head shrinkers together and they were unaffected and then they just turn and head butt him and he's toast.

00:22:01.13
Aaron
Yeah. and the And it had no effect. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I love that shit. Anytime you can continue a thread through like 30 plus years, I'm happy.

00:22:13.60
Bradley Palermo
Um, JR, uh, I will, I will save most of my Bobby Heenan quotes for later, but I did like it in this match. JR said, this will be a slobber knocker. And Heenan replies, ah thought that's what you call a waffle house in downtown Tulsa.

00:22:27.84
Bradley Palermo
Cause he likes to just fuck with JR from being from Oklahoma.

00:22:30.24
Aaron
Be mean to JR for being from Oklahoma.

00:22:32.08
Bradley Palermo
Yeah.

00:22:32.18
Aaron
Yeah. Where the fuck is Bobby Heenan from that he's so high and mighty?

00:22:32.86
Bradley Palermo
Yeah.

00:22:35.26
Aaron
Like Mississippi?

00:22:35.62
Bradley Palermo
Probably New York. Yeah.

00:22:37.02
Aaron
Okay, fine.

00:22:37.25
Bradley Palermo
Well, I don't know. Yeah. Let's just see. We could probably look it up. Where is Heenan from?

00:22:42.30
Aaron
So yeah, you look it up and I'll talk about what happened next.

00:22:43.61
Bradley Palermo
All right. Okay.

00:22:46.47
Aaron
So we had a quick interview with Doink the Clown and Mean Gene. and It showed us footage of him attacking Crush on Monday Night Raw a couple weeks earlier with a fake arm, which was typical Doink the Clown shit.

00:23:02.21
Bradley Palermo
Oh, on WWE, on 2K25, if you come out with Doink, you can definitely grab that arm from under the ring, too.

00:23:02.28
Aaron
um

00:23:08.72
Aaron
That's amazing.

00:23:09.19
Bradley Palermo
Not that we're here to talk about video games, but...

00:23:09.20
Aaron
I love that.

00:23:12.16
Aaron
So yes, that ah backstage led us into the next match, which was Crush, the guy who won best hair in our last episode, versus Doink the Clown.

00:23:22.75
Bradley Palermo
Heenan's from Chicago, by the way.

00:23:23.04
Aaron
um Heenan's from Chicago. Okay, I guess...

00:23:25.97
Bradley Palermo
Yeah, they're all high and mighty out there. Yeah.

00:23:28.03
Aaron
Yeah, whatever. so So this was a pretty short match. Crush took his frustration out on Doink outside the ring to start the match.

00:23:39.11
Aaron
He was in control for quite a while. um This was one where the crowd seemed kind of quiet, um but they did respond to some of the more violent moves that Crush gave to Doink.

00:23:51.22
Aaron
Um, and then, you know, Doink gets an advantage, starts attacking from the middle and top rope. He hits Crush with a really gnarly looking pile driver.

00:24:02.20
Aaron
um

00:24:02.28
Bradley Palermo
Mm-hmm.

00:24:03.44
Aaron
And then in in continuing with the theme of terrible finishes, the ref gets knocked out and a second Doink the Clown shows up from underneath the ring and hits Crush with the fake arm.

00:24:17.34
Aaron
And Doink gets the win. Another underwhelming match for me, but what about you?

00:24:21.67
Bradley Palermo
I think behind this, the things going on behind this match are more interesting to me than the match itself. I don't know. Doink at this time is Matt Bourne, who I don't know if you've seen the Dark Side of the Ring episode on him.

00:24:33.82
Aaron
Maybe?

00:24:34.92
Bradley Palermo
He was in Mania 1. I mean, he's a great wrestler, second-generation wrestler.

00:24:39.95
Aaron
Hmm.

00:24:40.01
Bradley Palermo
um i was listening to some of his interviews and so and such after watching this match, and he was um admittedly you know just really high and unreliable. was on drugs and and dealing with all kinds of addiction problems.

00:24:54.56
Bradley Palermo
So he had this gimmick, doink, that he created and you know didn't own the rights to. and it was really over. He got it over as the way he explains it.

00:25:05.01
Aaron
Yeah.

00:25:05.71
Bradley Palermo
And then other people were sort of like kind of sticking their nose in it. Like this guy, Steve Kern, who played the second doink. And, uh, And they're just kind of like, you know, if he's not working out, anyone can put on this makeup, you know?

00:25:18.86
Aaron
a

00:25:18.96
Bradley Palermo
And then it was sort of um the way that Bourne tells it in the interviews. It's like kind of just gimmick theft. Like um they brought out Steve Kern and put him in the ring with Matt Bourne as two doinks as a slap in the face to be like, look, dude, there' ah we can replace you.

00:25:33.60
Aaron
You're replaceable.

00:25:34.30
Bradley Palermo
We just fucking did it with you still here. um And eventually, you know, doink. stopped being like a maniacal clown and had more of a happy music and became, you know, Steve Kern played them and then Ray Apollo later played them.

00:25:47.82
Bradley Palermo
So they kept it around forever originally and later had like the little person doink. dink and doink and all that stuff.

00:25:52.97
Aaron
Dink, yeah. Yeah.

00:25:54.59
Bradley Palermo
So, um yeah, but this is the best doink. Matt Bourne was the best doink. His creepy ass laugh. um

00:26:02.26
Aaron
Mm-hmm.

00:26:02.94
Bradley Palermo
You know, I, this, when they mirror each other, to me, it was like an iconic time because I saw a lot of replays of that, an iconic image. Yeah, they're they're sort of miming at each other, like, you know, oh my God, it's me, you know, like, that was funny.

00:26:13.88
Aaron
yeah

00:26:17.80
Bradley Palermo
And I and i do like remember that, know, replaying on and like Raw and stuff a lot and in like the WWF magazine. um But it was so dumb afterwards when like Tom Pettengill was going around asking people in the audience like, was it real or was it an illusion?

00:26:34.88
Bradley Palermo
It's like, fuck.

00:26:35.63
Aaron
Yeah, she was dumb.

00:26:37.61
Bradley Palermo
And then...

00:26:37.75
Aaron
There's so much dumb about this.

00:26:39.56
Bradley Palermo
Yeah. And I put in my notes, you know, one hour in and nothing fantastic has happened. So that's, that's where we're at the one hour mark. Um, yeah, it's just, it's just not an epic mania, but, um, we go on to Razor Ramon, who's great versus Bob Backlund, who's one of the longest running champions in WWF E WWW F history.

00:27:07.27
Aaron
but you werere going to say one of the longest running jokes in WWF history.

00:27:07.32
Bradley Palermo
um

00:27:10.96
Bradley Palermo
Well, he was he was like a real legitimate guy in the WWWF.

00:27:15.48
Aaron
Yeah, I know.

00:27:15.64
Bradley Palermo
And then he became, they made a ah pretty big joke out of him. um

00:27:20.32
Aaron
Yeah, this was, this was,

00:27:20.34
Bradley Palermo
I mean, he he held the title for 2,135 which is like roman reigns level

00:27:27.72
Aaron
no, it's better. I think, I think that's longer.

00:27:28.88
Bradley Palermo
better

00:27:30.32
Aaron
Um,

00:27:30.62
Bradley Palermo
yeah so

00:27:32.21
Aaron
Yeah, yeah beside it's it's ah Bruno Sammartino is the number one longest reign. Backlund is two. I think Roman beat Hogan, so he should be the number three longest reign.

00:27:44.21
Bradley Palermo
Yeah, and Backland here is 43, which is, you know, I think considered washed up on this roster, which right now, like our top stars are about that age or just a little bit younger, maybe, you know, they're all kind of hanging out around 40. So it's it is interesting for me to see. Excuse me.

00:27:59.97
Bradley Palermo
Interesting for me to see someone who's, you know, has this legendary status, who's brought back just to sort of shit on them and mo mock them, you know.

00:28:08.85
Aaron
Yeah, it kind of sucks because as important as he was to the early days of the WWWF, ah he had never gotten to be a part of a WrestleMania. And the commentary team was very clear about how this was his first WrestleMania.

00:28:25.53
Aaron
Maybe I could be wrong because i don't I'm not super well versed in who participated in every past WrestleMania. Maybe he was in the first one and they just kind of like erased it and pretended it didn't happen.

00:28:35.29
Bradley Palermo
I don't think so.

00:28:35.59
Aaron
But

00:28:36.25
Bradley Palermo
Yeah.

00:28:36.98
Aaron
But if if that's true, man they shit on Bob Backlund. Like, first of all, whatever he decided to do with his gimmick, he just seemed like a crackhead.

00:28:47.24
Bradley Palermo
Yeah.

00:28:47.25
Aaron
it just made me laugh, but also feel bad for him because I knew that he was going to lose this match. ah this is This is Razor Ramon coming in right at the beginning of him being hot.

00:28:53.60
Bradley Palermo
You know

00:28:59.32
Aaron
And the crowd is cheering for, you know, what you would assume normally is a bad guy, but not in this case.

00:29:06.16
Bradley Palermo
Right.

00:29:06.25
Aaron
um and And then for all of Backlund's praise that he now gets, this was a sloppy ass performance from him.

00:29:06.28
Bradley Palermo
Yeah.

00:29:18.79
Bradley Palermo
yeah

00:29:18.80
Aaron
He missed a couple of things pretty badly and Razor beat him with a roll up in like eight minutes, five minutes or something.

00:29:27.86
Bradley Palermo
Oh, yeah. No, it's weird. And I don't know if, because, you know, when back in the day, I think, you know, pre-Hulk Hogan era, Backlund was kind of like the ah clean lifestyle, like, you know, fight fair, be healthy, like, you know, be good kids.

00:29:42.98
Aaron
The role model for the kids. Yeah.

00:29:44.42
Bradley Palermo
Yeah, be good for the kids. And he becomes, I mean, I don't know if his character was fully developed, like his, like, rib character or whatever Vince gave to him and in this like comeback but like he does later on become uh in the coming years become like this sort of like kids don't understand you know no one has any respect anymore like like the the maniac like unhinged like do-gooder it's almost like he becomes an intentional parody of himself

00:30:08.65
Aaron
I do you remember that.

00:30:17.00
Aaron
Yeah.

00:30:17.31
Bradley Palermo
And he does become the world heavyweight champion again and at some point in WWF history for, I think, like three days and then gets beat by somebody in three seconds, 22 seconds.

00:30:33.12
Bradley Palermo
um So he becomes, he does he does get the belt again for like a moment as kind of a joke, but that has nothing to do with but this match.

00:30:34.04
Aaron
Poor guy.

00:30:41.58
Bradley Palermo
um That's all I got for Razor Ramon versus Bob Backlund.

00:30:47.01
Aaron
um Okay, before I go into the next one, I just want to ask you something. Remember how you played that ah Sid Vicious interview the other time?

00:30:55.54
Bradley Palermo
Yeah.

00:30:56.22
Aaron
How did you do that? Did you just pull something up and play it or did you have to do something to get it into here?

00:31:02.09
Bradley Palermo
I had to do something to get it in.

00:31:03.87
Aaron
Okay, can you find the Iron Sheik clip of him saying fuck the whole Kogan and can we put that in at some point in this conversation?

00:31:13.31
Bradley Palermo
yeah um

00:31:15.17
Aaron
You know what I'm talking about, right?

00:31:15.19
Bradley Palermo
Yeah. Do you just want it on the um screen so you can press it? and

00:31:19.72
Aaron
I suppose, yeah, if you can...

00:31:19.90
Bradley Palermo
or or should we just but I just drop it in later so we don't have to?

00:31:22.78
Aaron
You could just drop it in later at like an opportune time in editing if that's easier for you. i don't We don't have to make a big deal out of it right here.

00:31:29.39
Bradley Palermo
Yeah, I think what we should do is we should have a soundboard with like stuff like that and and just have it on there, you know?

00:31:33.76
Aaron
Yeah, that'd be fun. Yeah, that'd be super fun. I was just thinking about that when I was watching this. i was like, fuck the whole Kog.

00:31:41.56
Bradley Palermo
Yeah. Who did who did um Bob Backlund lose belt in 22 seconds

00:31:45.88
Aaron
Who did he beat or who did, oh.

00:31:49.60
Bradley Palermo
seconds to

00:31:50.92
Bradley Palermo
Oh, Diesel beat Bob Backlund in 22 seconds to retain the belt. All right. So that's what happened there. um But that was way later on.

00:31:59.18
Aaron
Okay.

00:32:00.08
Bradley Palermo
Yeah.

00:32:01.55
Aaron
and Sorry. Let me take a hit of my thing before we start again.

00:32:05.100
Bradley Palermo
Cool.

00:32:07.26
Aaron
Ed also take a sip of my drink.

00:32:10.11
Aaron
Ready?

00:32:10.78
Bradley Palermo
Yeah.

00:32:12.82
Aaron
Alrighty, next match on the card was Money, Inc., IRS, and Ted DiBiase versus Hulk Hogan and Brutus Beefcake, the Mega Maniacs, as they are so aptly named.

00:32:24.53
Aaron
And this was for the WWF Tag Team Championships. um We did get some backstage promos. We got one from Money, Inc., bragging about how they hurt Brutus Beefcake's face.

00:32:36.55
Aaron
We got a promo from Hogan. Um, I, I, even still, I wish that there was a little more story recap because I had little to no emotional investment in this match. Um, and reading up on the event in general, it kind of seems like a lot of these matches were thrown together and weren't really built up in, in ways that they are nowadays.

00:32:57.20
Bradley Palermo
Right.

00:32:57.53
Aaron
Um, so. Hogan had been gone for a year, according to Bobby Heenan. And he he comes to the ring with a really bad bruised eye that's swollen shut. I think he burst a blood vessel in his eye.

00:33:11.80
Aaron
And this was an interesting thing at the time. They they said it was a jet skiing accident, WWF did. And since then, there has been speculation that that might have come from an altercation with Macho Man because of that.

00:33:27.94
Aaron
Remember how Macho Man thought that Hogan was sleeping with Elizabeth? Some people think that maybe this is a repercussion of that. I don't know if that's true or not, but I thought that that was interesting.

00:33:37.64
Bradley Palermo
There was a, um I forget which of these documentaries because there's so many of them, but the way i've seen it explained is, yeah, Hogan was filming Thunder in Paradise and Elizabeth and Macho Man weren't getting along that well.

00:33:43.05
Aaron
Maybe the Macho Man one.

00:33:50.57
Bradley Palermo
And Elizabeth was friends with Hogan's partner at the time. And so she was staying up there while they were filming in Tampa or whatever.

00:33:56.02
Aaron
Mm-hmm.

00:33:58.04
Bradley Palermo
And I guess Macho Man came looking for unannounced and, uh, hit him in the eye, but I thought it was funny. They they said it was an accident and Savage kind of, he's on commentary, so he's like, o sounds like a cheap shot.

00:34:13.61
Bradley Palermo
And then they and then think they go on again And they're like, I don't know about that. And he goes, ah he knows who did it. So it's like, you know, I mean, so if if you know the story now and and part of my my savage ah impersonation isn't that great, but um the fucking dude, like when once you know the story and you listen and you watch back, you're like, OK, savage is saying his piece in there still.

00:34:40.43
Aaron
Yeah, yeah.

00:34:41.37
Bradley Palermo
So.

00:34:41.52
Aaron
it it was It was, if assuming that that's what really happened, because we don't know with 100% certainty, it was a pretty interesting moment. And yeah, Macho Man's reaction was not what I was expecting. um Something fun about this match, even though I didn't really love this match, ah when Hogan and Brutus came out to Hogan's Music, a Real American,

00:35:04.98
Aaron
you know, they started fighting with, uh, money Inc before the music stopped. And you know what it reminded me of, do you remember the anarchy in the arena for AEW where they were fighting the wild thing for like 10 minutes?

00:35:14.05
Bradley Palermo
Oh yeah. Yeah.

00:35:17.66
Aaron
It reminded me of that. So I'm pretty sure that's, that's where it came from was this WrestleMania, but that was fun.

00:35:18.73
Bradley Palermo
yeah

00:35:24.58
Aaron
And obviously the crowd is still very much behind Hogan and Brutus. um They are very much against Money Inc. And yeah, this this was, you know, a long match for the card. Like it was probably the longest match, I think maybe 20 minutes.

00:35:43.15
Aaron
um But again, like an underwhelming, stupid finish.

00:35:48.37
Bradley Palermo
yeah

00:35:49.07
Aaron
I just, I don't know. Money Inc. tries to walk out and end the match early, and the ref talks to ah Howard Finkel, Finkus Maximus, but in line, and it should be.

00:35:59.91
Bradley Palermo
thats That should be your name for the podcast.

00:36:05.13
Aaron
Oh, God damn it. And yeah, so Finkus Maximus tells them that if they don't come back, not only are they going to lose the match because of a count-up, but they're going to lose the belts too.

00:36:15.69
Aaron
And that makes them mad. So they come back and

00:36:19.76
Bradley Palermo
Dr. Tony, putting his foot down.

00:36:22.69
Aaron
Commissioner Jack Tunney...

00:36:24.91
Aaron
ah Yeah, so so the match continues for a few more minutes. The ref gets knocked out. I forget exactly how. And Hogan and Brutus use Brutus's titanium mask. Right. Yeah, fucking right.

00:36:39.23
Aaron
And they hit Ted DiBiase and IRS. And the ref is still unconscious, but Jimmy Hart turns his jacket around to reveal black and white pinstripes.

00:36:50.27
Aaron
And he counts to three and the crowd erupts.

00:36:51.93
Bradley Palermo
Oh my God.

00:36:53.09
Aaron
And then the ref is like, yeah, that was not real. This, this match is a disqualification and money in keeps the belts. Yep.

00:37:02.79
Bradley Palermo
ah Yeah. um What did I put? oh yeah. Money Inc. wins via DQ and retains. Dumb dragged out finish.

00:37:12.48
Bradley Palermo
It was Dom and Drag Dot.

00:37:12.80
Aaron
ye

00:37:13.72
Bradley Palermo
I was confused when you were even trying to explain it because it's like, how did anyone ever fucking do this?

00:37:14.21
Aaron
It was.

00:37:18.90
Bradley Palermo
But then Hogan tosses money into the crowd to get cheap pops.

00:37:18.96
Aaron
I don't know.

00:37:23.44
Aaron
and it was real money, according to Natalie Cole. Why do they have to interview? Oh, I know why they interviewed Natalie Cole, because her dad was like a big Vegas staple, and she probably was singing at ah at a hotel at the time, but like...

00:37:35.69
Bradley Palermo
Dude, did they not do This was like the only WrestleMania where there was no America the Beautiful, right?

00:37:41.25
Aaron
Oh, I don't know if it was the only one, but that was conspicuously absent from the beginning of the show. I didn't think about it until now.

00:37:49.21
Bradley Palermo
Maybe it didn't fit in with the Roman Coliseum theme, you know.

00:37:52.96
Aaron
Certainly didn't.

00:37:54.34
Bradley Palermo
But one thing I thought was really interesting in this match, and I could be, for some reason, I thought that Scott Hall came up with bad times don't last what bad guys do. But Savage says it in this, ah you know, in this comment on the on the commentary during this. So is that a thing that's been used in wrestling for a long time? Or where does that come from?

00:38:17.47
Aaron
I don't know. ah you know, I heard it too. And i thought a similar thing. I was like, Oh, that's what Scott Hall said. It is hall of fame induction. I know.

00:38:27.11
Bradley Palermo
Yeah, that's, um yeah, I mean, if you type it in.

00:38:29.93
Aaron
All the best shit is stolen, dude. And you know, you know that.

00:38:33.43
Bradley Palermo
Yeah, dude, that's weird, though. I mean, Scott, ah this is like way before that Scott Hall thing.

00:38:38.83
Aaron
Mm hmm.

00:38:39.38
Bradley Palermo
So Scott Hall's a hack. And we go to Perfect

00:38:42.80
Aaron
ah Stop it. He's not.

00:38:45.19
Bradley Palermo
and then we go to mr perfect versus Lex Luger, the narcissist Lex Luger. We got a backstage promo with Perfect. He's a intensely focused on restoring perfection.

00:39:03.38
Bradley Palermo
um

00:39:03.89
Aaron
hmm.

00:39:04.98
Bradley Palermo
Lex Luger comes out to his full pose down with the mirrors and Hanan's really hyping him.

00:39:10.39
Aaron
Don't forget all the don't forget all the very scantily clad women around him, too. And the cameraman made no made no efforts to not shoot all of their asses as they walked up into the ring. And he goes, oh, my God. Like, come on, guys. What are you doing here?

00:39:28.01
Bradley Palermo
Yeah, I mean, you know, but just trying to get somebody not to turn this fucking thing off, right?

00:39:32.40
Aaron
I guess. Yeah.

00:39:33.75
Bradley Palermo
um

00:39:34.14
Aaron
Look, butts. Oh, my God. Butts.

00:39:37.65
Bradley Palermo
God, if you, yeah, when you're a wrestling fan and a man, you know, you' fucking wrestling feed, like the Instagram feed you is just like how many asses of...

00:39:49.18
Bradley Palermo
of of what's her ass dom dom's girlfriend you know from like the um like lowest angles possible and you're like and then you read the comments and the dudes are just gnarly man um a bunch of incels but um

00:39:51.93
Aaron
Live Morgan. Yeah.

00:40:01.20
Aaron
Yeah.

00:40:04.79
Bradley Palermo
Commentary's putting over Luger's loaded forearm, which we talked about last time, but in real life, he has he's got a metal plate of some sort in his arm because of his previous motorcycle accident.

00:40:12.78
Aaron
Mm-hmm.

00:40:14.79
Bradley Palermo
And in the wrestling angle, they use it as like, you know, some sort of unfair weapon. um

00:40:21.82
Aaron
Yeah.

00:40:22.88
Bradley Palermo
i yeah, I noticed the crowd is quiet and it seems like no one really cared.

00:40:29.25
Aaron
They liked Mr. Perfect though, I thought. um

00:40:31.74
Bradley Palermo
Yeah.

00:40:32.69
Aaron
Believe it or not, i think this was a match of the night for me. and and you know like

00:40:36.07
Bradley Palermo
Yeah.

00:40:37.82
Aaron
It was a short match. It was probably 10 minutes, but it had the most intensity. It felt the most real to me.

00:40:44.87
Bradley Palermo
yeah

00:40:45.02
Aaron
um you know Luger was working Mr. Perfect's back. Perfect was working Luger's leg. There was good psychology. it What they were doing made sense.

00:40:55.69
Aaron
um it But it ended with kind of a whimper, and i don't i don't even really remember what... Oh, yeah, so Luger ends up pinning Mr. Perfect, but Mr. Perfect has his feet on the ropes. However, the ref is not looking when he's counting to three at the ropes, he's looking at the shoulders, and so he pins Mr. Perfect...

00:41:20.66
Aaron
And Luger gets the win, even though technically Mr. Perfect had his his feet on the ropes and he should have had the break.

00:41:26.72
Bradley Palermo
Yeah.

00:41:27.87
Aaron
um

00:41:28.69
Bradley Palermo
And Luger still gets done with us.

00:41:28.90
Aaron
But then

00:41:30.05
Bradley Palermo
Go ahead.

00:41:31.87
Aaron
but then the loaded forearm comes into play after the match and he knocks out Mr. Perfect. And then that's when commentary is like, oh, there he goes and the with the arm. all Whatever.

00:41:43.20
Bradley Palermo
And then there's this whole backstage thing where Perfect finds him in the back behind the stage and does Shawn Michaels come out and save him?

00:41:51.34
Aaron
Yep.

00:41:53.10
Bradley Palermo
Save Luger or something? I don't fucking know.

00:41:54.46
Aaron
Yeah. Perfect attacked Luger from behind and they were fighting in a shed and then Shawn Michaels was right there and then he attacked Luger for some, or Mr. Perfect, I mean, for some unknown reason, probably to set something up.

00:42:07.44
Aaron
But what's weird is the next pay-per-view was King of the Ring and they didn't, it wasn't Shawn Michaels versus Mr.

00:42:11.42
Bradley Palermo
Yeah.

00:42:13.01
Aaron
Perfect, it Bret Hart.

00:42:14.09
Bradley Palermo
right yeah i was i didn't know where all that was going i was kind of more interested in like the fact that it seemed like this thing started really early in the day because they're you know we're getting pretty through this thing at this point pretty close to the main events and uh it's like fucking high noon yeah i mean i guess because i mean it never gets dark on this thing so it's pretty wild um

00:42:14.74
Aaron
So I don't know what that was about.

00:42:27.13
Aaron
ah hu

00:42:29.83
Aaron
yeah it must have started at like three in the morning or three after i mean three in the afternoon sorry

00:42:39.74
Aaron
yeah yeah it was it was so like i said match of the night but like match of the night on a poop card not not that good

00:42:45.74
Bradley Palermo
Right.

00:42:47.00
Aaron
And then we had probably the worst match of the night, the Undertaker versus Giant Gonzalez.

00:42:52.91
Bradley Palermo
Funny though.

00:42:53.07
Aaron
You know, well, actually not as bad as I thought it would be. Undertaker talks about it like it's the worst fucking match he's ever had in his life. And I mean, it's not good, but it's also not the worst match I've ever seen.

00:43:03.24
Bradley Palermo
Yeah.

00:43:08.65
Bradley Palermo
I'm sure he doesn't like being like, you know, he looked so short and he's probably, he's used to being the big guy.

00:43:08.70
Aaron
It's just.

00:43:14.17
Aaron
Yeah.

00:43:15.21
Bradley Palermo
I'm sure on top of it being a bad match, he probably didn't appreciate being towered over, you know,

00:43:15.55
Aaron
Yeah.

00:43:21.15
Aaron
Oh, yeah, I wouldn't like that either. Giant Gonzalez was a huge dude and very imposing.

00:43:25.25
Bradley Palermo
like eight feet tall. Yeah.

00:43:26.74
Aaron
Yeah.

00:43:27.08
Bradley Palermo
Mm-hmm.

00:43:27.67
Aaron
um Too bad he was shit in the ring. But, you know, in in interest to, I mean, they were trying to capitalize off of his size like they used to do with Andre. And i think everyone can look back on the past and say that that probably didn't work out the way they had hoped.

00:43:42.16
Bradley Palermo
Andre could fucking move, you know, guys like Omas, you know, in more recent times or Gonzalez before then, it's like, you're, they're just tall. You know, I know Andre, by the time he was like televised, he didn't move that much.

00:43:51.27
Aaron
Yeah.

00:43:55.55
Aaron
He was like too hurt. and Yeah, yeah.

00:43:57.02
Bradley Palermo
But if you watch like the earlier stuff on YouTube, like that fucking dude was no joke.

00:43:57.12
Aaron
hmm. Yeah. seventy s

00:44:01.94
Bradley Palermo
Yeah. He wasn't just tall.

00:44:02.82
Aaron
yeah

00:44:04.19
Bradley Palermo
Yeah.

00:44:04.84
Aaron
It was, you know, not not the best. um the The Undertaker's entrance was cool, though. He he had a chariot and a vulture um that was walking with him to the ring.

00:44:18.25
Bradley Palermo
Mm-hmm.

00:44:18.28
Aaron
And it was fun to so to see the old... um interpretation of the undertaker with the more funeral Marchy kind of music. Cause that all that stuff changes over time as he's trying to figure out what the character is and he refines it. So um that was fun to see certainly, but yeah,

00:44:38.56
Aaron
Man, the again, the end of this match was so dumb. um Harvey Whippleman, who is Giant Gonzalez's manager, gives him a rag soaked in chloroform, quote-unquote, and the Undertaker

00:44:56.24
Aaron
passes out, but then he comes back, you know, and then... How did this end?

00:45:02.77
Bradley Palermo
Well, first of all, people in the audience, they don't, they just see a rag on Giant Gonzalez's hand going to Undertaker's face.

00:45:02.92
Aaron
What?

00:45:11.36
Bradley Palermo
If you didn't have the commentary, they're just looking like, what the fuck?

00:45:13.83
Aaron
You'd have no idea.

00:45:14.65
Bradley Palermo
Yeah, you have no idea. And commentary is like, oh, that's stench. That's stench.

00:45:19.19
Aaron
Yeah, can smell it!

00:45:19.87
Bradley Palermo
But like, I mean, chloroform, I looked it up.

00:45:20.51
Aaron
It's chloroform!

00:45:22.61
Bradley Palermo
It's, it's like a sweet smell. So it wouldn't have been like so opposing, but, um,

00:45:24.50
Aaron
yeah you you can't smell it.

00:45:27.53
Bradley Palermo
But yeah, it's, uh, he supposedly, you know, kills the undertaker to a certain extent. Oh my God, that can kill you. Like they're making it really dramatic.

00:45:36.46
Aaron
yeah

00:45:36.64
Bradley Palermo
And, you know, they, they take him out on a stretcher and, and, you know, of course he's the dead man. So he just fucking couple seconds later walks back down that aisle. He's like back from the fucking dead to, uh,

00:45:48.20
Aaron
Yes, Taker wins via disqualification after Giant Gonzalez used the chloroform-soaked rag, which is pretty funny because the ref was watching him do it for like 20 seconds, and then after, he was like, okay, now we can ring the bell.

00:45:58.37
Bradley Palermo
Yeah.

00:46:01.24
Aaron
Stupid shit.

00:46:01.96
Bradley Palermo
Yes. The Gonzalez. So the outfit of Giant Gonzalez is infamous in wrestling history. He's wearing a flesh colored body suit.

00:46:14.63
Bradley Palermo
that is airbrushed to look like it has muscles and hair.

00:46:19.83
Aaron
Mm hmm.

00:46:20.04
Bradley Palermo
um So he looks like like i'm naked like a naked man without genitals out there in the middle of this fucking match. Dumb as fuck, dude. Terrible.

00:46:31.74
Aaron
And my last note for this match was okay maybe I see what Undertaker is talking about with this one. Mm

00:46:38.83
Bradley Palermo
I mean, it didn't make anyone look good. It made Undertaker like look kind of stupid for you know not being able to beat up this.

00:46:44.22
Aaron
hmm.

00:46:45.63
Bradley Palermo
you know you made them look sure It like made him look smaller and less scary by having this sort of weird bodysuit clown cartoon guy you know take him out.

00:46:49.00
Aaron
Yeah.

00:46:53.42
Aaron
but he did get him down onto the mat. He did knock him down once.

00:46:56.13
Bradley Palermo
Yeah. No, it wasn't great for anyone. I don't i don't even think it made Giant Gonzalez look all that great because he gets his ass kicked later by Undertaker after he wins. I don't know.

00:47:06.96
Aaron
Yeah, not great.

00:47:07.70
Bradley Palermo
But it's some of these are just, I don't know.

00:47:07.87
Aaron
but

00:47:10.94
Bradley Palermo
They're so bad.

00:47:11.29
Aaron
You take the good with the bad, you know, what can you do?

00:47:11.60
Bradley Palermo
It's classic.

00:47:13.42
Aaron
What was next?

00:47:15.34
Bradley Palermo
We had Bret Hart versus Yokozuna for the WWF Championship. um Brett comes out solo. He doesn't have any lions or tigers or birds or vultures.

00:47:27.82
Bradley Palermo
um And the Yoko entrance wasn't really that big either. think like they were kind of, they were done with all the pomp and circumstance.

00:47:35.76
Aaron
no but they did take some time to build it up like with promos and look backs on things and and you know making yokozuna out to be a killer with all of the different bonsai drops he had put on people you know

00:47:35.78
Bradley Palermo
um

00:47:47.84
Bradley Palermo
Yeah, Brett's – it's funny because Brett, he – between this match and three months later, he his parents must have had two more kids because he's one of 11 siblings in this match. But by King of the Ring 93 that we just watched, he's one of 13.

00:48:04.68
Bradley Palermo
So, um I don't know.

00:48:05.80
Aaron
Had some twins, twin siblings.

00:48:08.40
Bradley Palermo
That's – he just, you know – ah

00:48:11.42
Aaron
So I just want to say really quick, Hogan had a little promo before this match, and he literally called Yokozuna a Jap.

00:48:22.44
Aaron
did you Did you hear that?

00:48:22.44
Bradley Palermo
He did. I just want to see Brett beat that jab. And I was, I mouth kind of dropped like,

00:48:25.78
Aaron
Yep. That's what he said. And this is where you can can insert the Iron Sheik telling Hogan to go fuck himself.

00:48:28.90
Bradley Palermo
i

00:48:32.98
Bradley Palermo
okay. That, yeah, I, I'm pretty sure even in the night, I'm speechless. I don't know. I mean, that's just like straight up using slurs on the WWF pay-per-view.

00:48:44.68
Aaron
Yep. Yep.

00:48:46.12
Bradley Palermo
um Wow.

00:48:46.92
Aaron
That's Hulk Hogan for you.

00:48:48.12
Bradley Palermo
Yeah. Yeah. He totally did that.

00:48:50.24
Aaron
Can I tell you something really quick that has nothing to do with this, but it's only related to the Hulk Hogan.

00:48:54.50
Bradley Palermo
Yeah.

00:48:55.22
Aaron
Did you know that anytime that Booker T walks into the NXT arena to do commentary for NXT, the crowd chants Hulk Hogan, we coming for you Hulk Hogan. We coming for you Hulk Hogan.

00:49:05.64
Bradley Palermo
Because

00:49:09.14
Aaron
I'm not going to.

00:49:09.20
Bradley Palermo
it's kind of like a local crowd, so they they have like the things.

00:49:10.86
Aaron
Yeah.

00:49:11.83
Bradley Palermo
Yeah. Yeah.

00:49:12.50
Aaron
And Booker just loves it. And I'm not going to tell the audience why, ah what that means.

00:49:14.22
Bradley Palermo
and

00:49:17.53
Aaron
Just if you want to look it up, type Booker T. Hulk Hogan promo and you'll know what I'm talking about.

00:49:23.40
Bradley Palermo
Yeah. um Let's see.

00:49:26.52
Bradley Palermo
Oh, yeah, there's a there are some video. There's a video promo of of Yoko destroying like Dugan and Hart Duggan.

00:49:34.49
Aaron
Yeah, he he sat on... go ahead. Start over.

00:49:37.79
Bradley Palermo
Oh, no, go ahead. You're fine. Just we'll just keep it rolling. He sat on what?

00:49:41.84
Aaron
Yeah, he sat on Jim Duggan like five or six times. They played up the injury, and then he bonsai dropped Bret Hart at the contract signing, I think, for this match that we're about to see.

00:49:53.69
Aaron
That was the hype package, yeah.

00:49:55.93
Bradley Palermo
Yeah. um Sorry, I did it all backwards because I skipped all my notes about the promos, but I think we can chop all that into it.

00:50:03.24
Aaron
Okay.

00:50:04.09
Bradley Palermo
um

00:50:04.27
Aaron
um

00:50:05.32
Bradley Palermo
So then we get Bret Hart versus Yokozuna for the WWF championship. but um Dude, it's confusing because I start reading our notes instead of our shared notes instead of my notes, and that's when I start to like suck.

00:50:18.15
Bradley Palermo
I'm like, wait, where are all my notes here?

00:50:19.57
Aaron
So then read your notes.

00:50:21.04
Bradley Palermo
Yeah.

00:50:21.30
Aaron
Don't look at the shared notes.

00:50:23.08
Bradley Palermo
Yeah. um

00:50:24.97
Bradley Palermo
All right, so Brad looks great. There's USA chants, though, which makes no sense because as we've established, he's Canadian. Heenan calls it out, and Yokozuna, they're saying, is from Japan again, which we've said before. He's not either.

00:50:38.95
Bradley Palermo
But Heenan's like, USA? i mean, one guy's from Japan, one guy's from Canada. So that was ah was pretty fucking weird. It was basically just saying, like, fuck you, foreigner, I guess, because the Canadian guy's more white.

00:50:49.06
Aaron
Oh yeah, that's exactly what it was.

00:50:52.20
Bradley Palermo
Yeah.

00:50:52.45
Aaron
epi

00:50:53.78
Bradley Palermo
Brett gets a near fall off the top ropes. Brett locks in the sharpshooter. Fuji throws salt in his eyes. Yoko pins him and wins the belt. I don't know

00:51:06.05
Aaron
Yeah, it it it was like 10 minutes long again. Yokozuna basically just wrecks Brett for a while. Then Brett you know looks like he might survive, but Yokozuna is just too big. They they play with an exposed turnbuckle spot.

00:51:19.48
Aaron
Yoko takes a header into the exposed turnbuckle. It's not enough to get him down. And yeah, Fuji with the powder in the eyes and Yokozuna is the new champion.

00:51:30.49
Aaron
I was reminded of Bret Hart versus Roddy Piper the year before in WrestleMania 8, another outside, you know, a venue, I think, or maybe.

00:51:37.12
Bradley Palermo
Yeah.

00:51:40.95
Aaron
Yeah, I think it was outside, but not fully outside. and And I mean, that match was incredible. So then to go from that to this, I was like, yeah, yeah, whatever.

00:51:49.56
Bradley Palermo
yeah

00:51:49.61
Aaron
And, you know, too short to to be anything of note. Honestly, it was just like another fuck finish and Yokozuna wins.

00:52:01.87
Aaron
But then we get to the dumbass ending to this pay-per-view, which is Mr.

00:52:07.22
Bradley Palermo
Oh, boy.

00:52:08.09
Aaron
Fuji challenging Hulk Hogan, who comes out to console Bret Hart after he's lost. And Mr. Fuji's like, oh, yeah, you can you can fight Yokozuna right now. I'll put the title on the line.

00:52:19.03
Aaron
And, you know, Hogan, they don't ring the bell.

00:52:20.76
Bradley Palermo
Like, don't ring the bell. Like, nobody, no ref comes out.

00:52:24.66
Aaron
Dude, I was so mad at that.

00:52:24.78
Bradley Palermo
Match never really starts, right?

00:52:26.81
Aaron
Yeah, Hogan checks on Brett and Fuji gives the challenge. Brett's like, go, go fight him, which would never happen.

00:52:33.93
Bradley Palermo
No.

00:52:34.29
Aaron
ever and then it was like 20 seconds and you know hogan ducks a second throwing of salt in the eye from mr fuji it hits yokozuna don't even think he hits him with the leg drop it's just like pin one two three he wins and like you said yeah i didn't even hear the bell ring like this what the fuck

00:52:57.59
Bradley Palermo
yeah hogan's holding up the belt like it's a big win it just feels like he's really sticking his nose into an era that's sort of doesn't need him anymore but needs something but not necessarily hogan that's not really doing the trick um fireworks go up it's it's broad daylight you know um really what needed to happen was a um

00:53:11.98
Aaron
Yeah.

00:53:17.37
Aaron
And the show's over.

00:53:19.76
Bradley Palermo
was a Bret Hart Hulk Hogan match maybe to get that belt back from Hogan. But that, I mean, that never happened.

00:53:26.57
Aaron
no

00:53:26.88
Bradley Palermo
Um, so, uh, they did say, uh, somebody, one of the announcers said it was the biggest mania ever, but it had literally already been outdone seven times before this.

00:53:39.51
Bradley Palermo
Um, I think it only, as far as like, you know, attendance goes at least, um, Everything was super... I feel like and general, this whole thing felt just like the entire pay-per-view felt kind of rushed and weird and a low point for booking and a weird tone.

00:53:54.16
Aaron
yeah

00:53:57.06
Bradley Palermo
Just kind of like...

00:53:58.41
Aaron
Mm hmm. Strange. i don't we didn't need togas. We didn't need to be outside. we didn't need the theme. you you don't need any of that. And you can see it nowadays.

00:54:10.74
Aaron
I mean, WrestleMania is two full nights now, and there's no themes. if they are If there are themes, it's based around the city that they're in which, okay, fine, but it feels natural.

00:54:19.68
Bradley Palermo
Yeah. Yeah.

00:54:21.91
Aaron
this Everything about this felt forced to me, from the matches, the match length, the order of the matches, the design of the sets and the you know the theme.

00:54:26.32
Bradley Palermo
yeah

00:54:35.22
Aaron
i just... this was miss in almost every sense of the word. And it's crazy because just shows you how quickly things can turn in wrestling. I mean, they had almost 40,000 people at the WrestleMania the year prior, and then Hogan takes a year off and then they have 16,000 people.

00:54:55.86
Aaron
So it shows how much the business was riding on Hogan during that time. And thankfully, you know, when he leaves, it eventually gets to where it was and better, but man, yeah, this is, this is sort of a down point for the WWF.

00:55:15.62
Bradley Palermo
Should we get to the funny Bobby Heenan quotes from WrestleMania 9?

00:55:19.47
Aaron
Do it. I didn't, I didn't write any down, but I'm sure yours are all amazing.

00:55:21.82
Bradley Palermo
Well, yeah, I know. That's kind of my thing I'm hung up on.

00:55:26.62
Bradley Palermo
ah Let's see. As Tatanka hulks up, he's not Hulk Hogan. He's a Hulkamaniac with feathers.

00:55:34.40
Bradley Palermo
Yokozuna, you don't have to buy him dinner.

00:55:34.58
Aaron
Nice.

00:55:37.40
Bradley Palermo
Just throw him a cow in the ring and ring the bell.

00:55:40.42
Aaron
Wow. Jeez.

00:55:43.18
Bradley Palermo
on Giant Gonzalez's bizarre airbrush bodysuit. It's like he's got muscles in places i don't even have places.

00:55:51.77
Aaron
Okay, that was good. I like that one.

00:55:54.90
Bradley Palermo
um Let's see.

00:55:57.51
Bradley Palermo
All right. Double doink moment. I see double. I need a double. Someone get me something strong. And my favorite one of the night on the Caesar's Palace theme.

00:56:08.85
Bradley Palermo
This is the first time I've ever seen Rome fall in broad daylight. I got a kick out of it.

00:56:17.71
Aaron
Is that like a porn reference? Like he's watching some dirty movies or something about the the fall of Rome?

00:56:24.27
Bradley Palermo
no

00:56:27.55
Aaron
Oh my God.

00:56:27.65
Bradley Palermo
But, oh, shit.

00:56:32.35
Aaron
Did anybody reach out to us over the past two weeks? Do you got any any feedback, any calls or anything?

00:56:38.64
Bradley Palermo
Yeah, just give me a second here. um Oh, yeah, my friend my friend Josh here in L.A. wrote us a nice review. The Grapple City Rewind is an entertaining look back at old-school wrestling or rasslin'.

00:56:50.20
Bradley Palermo
I enjoy the dichotomy of a somewhat cynical Palermo and very upbeat fink. Give the podcast a chance and I guarantee you will not be disappointed. Keep it up, guys. And he also he mentioned to me that we need to watch WCW Uncensored for an oddball pay-per-view. It sounds pretty fucking nuts.

00:57:09.33
Bradley Palermo
I don't know.

00:57:09.38
Aaron
Okay.

00:57:09.54
Bradley Palermo
Have you have you heard of that one?

00:57:11.76
Aaron
Maybe? um i might have watched it, but I don't know.

00:57:15.34
Bradley Palermo
It's got like a bunch of dudes in a cage at the same time. And like one of them had, there's like a horrible, there's a character they tried to call the final solution, but they realized what that really means right before he went on.

00:57:28.38
Bradley Palermo
So he changed his name to the ultimate solution. He's like this huge roided out guy.

00:57:31.42
Aaron
ah boy.

00:57:33.24
Bradley Palermo
It sounds like another just like fucking shit show that maybe we should keep an eye on.

00:57:39.37
Aaron
Yeah, yeah.

00:57:39.70
Bradley Palermo
But um ah thanks Josh for,

00:57:40.33
Aaron
The first one, like 1995, is that the one?

00:57:43.46
Bradley Palermo
Oh, wait, 96, he said.

00:57:44.74
Aaron
Oh, 96.

00:57:45.27
Bradley Palermo
Yeah, yeah.

00:57:45.50
Aaron
Okay, okay.

00:57:46.80
Bradley Palermo
But thanks, Josh, for the um for the review. we We appreciate that. it was really nice of you to drop that on the Apple podcast there.

00:57:54.38
Aaron
Yeah, thank you, Josh.

00:57:54.70
Bradley Palermo
um

00:57:55.30
Aaron
I was a little more cynical today than I was upbeat, but, you know, such is life. When the shit stinks, I will tell you.

00:58:03.19
Bradley Palermo
Yeah, i was one I was like, oh, does that make me the heel of this of this team? it kind of

00:58:08.40
Aaron
I mean, if we're if we're taking if we're taking tallies, I suppose, you know, you do talk a lot of shit.

00:58:13.63
Bradley Palermo
So speaking of, ah we have a new rating system. Fast forward, play or rewind. Which one do you give? I already know. Which one do you give WrestleMania nine?

00:58:24.56
Aaron
Well, okay, I guess we should probably explain. So Fast Forward, I think, is like, I mean, it's pretty self-explanatory, but essentially, don't watch it. It's not worth your time. You can just fast forward over this pay-per-view and forget it ever existed.

00:58:37.14
Aaron
Play is, you know, there's some redeemable qualities. There's some things that are worth watching, so check it out if it interests you. And then Rewind is kind of like our, yeah, watch it right now.

00:58:47.26
Aaron
Like, it is worth you rewinding that tape and checking it out.

00:58:50.06
Bradley Palermo
I'm watching it again. Yeah.

00:58:51.44
Aaron
Yeah. Yeah. So, um I don't really know. i think i think I'm just going to say fast forward. We can just ah leave this one to the dark ages.

00:58:58.88
Bradley Palermo
yeah

00:59:01.60
Aaron
You can you can watch the clips, the necessary historical clips on YouTube, and maybe you don't pick this one up.

00:59:09.87
Bradley Palermo
Yeah, I agree. You know, i I was really into watching wrestling when this came out, and I think I might have watched this one live as a kid, and I have a soft spot.

00:59:18.68
Aaron
And that was the end for you.

00:59:21.35
Bradley Palermo
I think I have a soft spot so a sauce a soft spot in my heart for some of these moments, and watching it as an adult now, I feel like we watched it, so you guys out there don't have to.

00:59:34.86
Aaron
Yeah.

00:59:35.29
Bradley Palermo
So fast forward, we have to start with some sort of standard. And we definitely can't have this be the standard. So we'll let you know when we we find a better one. i had I have fun watching all wrestling.

00:59:47.31
Bradley Palermo
And it's fun to talk about it if it's bad. and it's you know and And when it's really good, you know it's like one of my favorite forms of entertainment. So no nothing lost for me. like It wasn't a waste of time to to keep an eye on it. i want to see all the good and all the bad. But yeah, I can't give this one a...

01:00:04.86
Bradley Palermo
I can't give this one more than the fast-forward rating.

01:00:08.95
Aaron
That is okay. You know, they can't all be winners.

01:00:13.37
Bradley Palermo
Right. um

01:00:15.13
Aaron
Talk about next week or next episode.

01:00:16.75
Bradley Palermo
ah So what are we going to watch next week? We're alternating selections here. So you can blame this WrestleMania 9 on me, Aaron. But what do you want to see? What should i get ready to watch next week? Maybe the people listening can and watch also so we're all on the same page.

01:00:32.39
Aaron
Yeah, yeah. um So I was thinking more about the WCW pay-per-view that we watched. I think it was this our second episode. So I would like to watch Clash of the Champions 9, New York Knockout.

01:00:48.87
Aaron
And the main event of that is Ric Flair versus Terry Funk in an I Quit match. So I'm pretty sure that this comes very soon after what we watched, where we had the Flair and Funk match as the main event.

01:00:54.30
Bradley Palermo
Sounds good.

01:01:00.45
Bradley Palermo
Oh, yeah. I'm always down for some flair and funk. Before we go don't forget to.

01:01:07.56
Bradley Palermo
Before we. What did you think? um Hold on. How do I work this?

01:01:11.50
Aaron
You want me to do it?

01:01:12.47
Bradley Palermo
Before we go, let us know what you thought of WrestleMania 9. If you did see it, it's our... ah

01:01:19.41
Bradley Palermo
Hold on, I got it.

01:01:20.59
Bradley Palermo
And before we get going, let us know what you thought of WrestleMania 9. Do you agree with our assessment? 626-657-SLAM is our Google Voice voicemail line. No one's going to pick up or talk or anything. You can just call and do as many takes as you want.

01:01:35.65
Bradley Palermo
Or you can cut a promo on me or Aaron and tell us we're cool or tell us we're not. Follow us on Instagram at grapplecitypod. You can always email us grapplecitypod at gmail.com. We always appreciate a nice review. Tell your friends.

01:01:51.94
Bradley Palermo
And thanks so much for listening. It's always a great time. We'll be back as soon as we possibly can.

01:01:58.52
Aaron
Bye-bye, all. Have a good one.